Students Plan - March for Our Lives: March 24th

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you think the GOP or the NRA would support student/teacher walkouts in protest regarding the accessibility of assault weapons?

1) a stupid walkout isn't going to stop a killer from going into an already law-established "gun-free" zone and killing people. 2) more laws and more gun control won't stop killers from killing. Banning AR-15 type weapons will not stop the killings.

Everyone thinks that only the AR-15 has high capacity magazines. That if we could only ban these AR-15s, the mass shootings would stop.

Glock has a 33 round magazine for its 9mm pistol. There's a 26 round magazine for a 45 acp pistol.

So here's what will happen, because you can't trust the radical, left wing liberals to stop once they get an inch:

First will be banning bump stocks or trigger cranks.
Next will be banning AR-15 style rifles.

When that doesn't stop the killers from killing, because it won't, then they will demand a limit on magazines.

Won't stop a killer from killing. Ban all guns.

The one thing most would accept is better background checks, but guess what - the FBI is the agency reviewing the purchase application.

Yes, the same FBI who screwed up Boston Marathon bombing, San Bernadino, Orlando and now Parkland.

So any hopes of enhanced background screenings are lost because the FBI has proven they're either incompetent or complicit in the recent mass killings in America.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The GOP and the NRA could care less.

If you believe that, you're an idiot.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And no doubt, the DNC sees political opportunity . . Kids have died.

Libs love using the dead as props.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It seems to me like the youth of our nation are just pawns to the GOP. If they oppose the GOP's efforts to gun school funding to fund massive tax cuts, the kids are pawns. If the kids oppose the NRA's radical agenda after dodging bullets in a school shooting, and watching their friends be gunned down in cold blood, they're pawns.

Wrong. The GOP isn't the one's USING these kids to push their agenda - the radical, left-wing, liberal Democrats and socialists are.

"Radical NRA agenda?" Since when is protecting 2A rights a "radical" agenda?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Both the NRA and the NARAL are radically supportive of the murder's rights over the rights of children to abide safely, whether it be womb or classroom. Both have taken the most extreme position possible regarding one's right to privacy and one's right to firearms. It's glaringly obvious that they are very similar in their mindsets in regards to their specific issues.

That is an outright lie. If you wish to continue pushing this outrageous and offensive comparison, I'm done. There is no comparison.

The NRA does NOT support the rights of murderers. That is a twisted and disgusting lie.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I assume you're a member of a well regulated militia?

I assume there's a brain somewhere inside your head?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

That is an outright lie. If you wish to continue pushing this outrageous and offensive comparison, I'm done. There is no comparison.

Calm down. Relax a minute and think with me. I'm only saying that I see a comparison. If you don't, you don't have to. But to insist that someone else can't see something they do, well, is a bit looney. You can't control others. Just realize I see a comparison. I only illustrated why I don't see a comparison with unions. I never told you that you couldn't.

The NRA does NOT support the rights of murderers. That is a twisted and disgusting lie.

So, would it be better to say would-be murderers?

[TGBTG]

ndavid,
You state those kids are being used as pawns.

If they were NOT being used as pawns, how do you think they would have responded to what just happened at their school?
You think they would just dismiss what just happened and move on? i'm surprised as to why you're totally dismissing their grievances...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

1) a stupid walkout isn't going to stop a killer from going into an already law-established "gun-free" zone and killing people.

I agree.

2) more laws and more gun control won't stop killers from killing. Banning AR-15 type weapons will not stop the killings.

It might help future killers not be so efficient. I mean, the AR-15 isn't a hunting rifle. It's designed to kill people... with greater efficiency than non-assault weapons. Am I correct?

Everyone thinks that only the AR-15 has high capacity magazines. That if we could only ban these AR-15s, the mass shootings would stop.

"Everyone"? I'm not concerned with AR-15's. I am concerned with similar weapons with high capacity magazines.

Glock has a 33 round magazine for its 9mm pistol. There's a 26 round magazine for a 45 acp pistol.

True.

So here's what will happen, because you can't trust the radical, left wing liberals to stop once they get an inch:

First will be banning bump stocks or trigger cranks.
Next will be banning AR-15 style rifles.

When that doesn't stop the killers from killing, because it won't, then they will demand a limit on magazines.

Won't stop a killer from killing. Ban all guns.

I'd never support banning all guns. I'm just saying that I don't see any reason why assault weapons should be so easily purchased. Their purpose is to kill people with more efficiency. I'd support banning bump stocks and trigger cranks without hesitation. I'd consider an assault weapons ban, but I'd have to see the specific legislation in question to determine if I'd support it or not.

The one thing most would accept is better background checks, but guess what - the FBI is the agency reviewing the purchase application.

Here is what I'm thinking...

1.) Ban fully assault weapons
2.) Ban bump stocks and devices that make semi-automatic weapons fire essentially like fully automatic weapons.
3.) Require registration, a wait period (3-7 days), and a full criminal background check that includes checks against the No-Fly, Selectee, and Watch lists when someone wishes to purchase any weapon. Those attempting to purchase and showing up on any of these background checks the purchase should be denied and the individual should get flagged. If the buyer wishes to contest any results of the background check there should be a procedure in place to allow for any individual to contest those results and have them resolved within 30 days.

The way I'm seeing it right now is like this... While the Constitution protects the right to bear arms, it doesn't specifically state one has a "right" to assault weapon.

Yes, the same FBI who screwed up Boston Marathon bombing, San Bernadino, Orlando and now Parkland.

I agree, procedures should be reviewed and modified to better address potential threats to the American people.

If you believe that, you're an idiot.

When I say that the NRA and NARAL could care less... I'm only saying that NARAL doesn't even have the common sense to support partial birth abortion bans. And the NRA would send thoughts and prayers to the families of the next 10 school shootings before even considering banning bump stocks or assault weapons designed to kill people with greater efficiency. Both have positions that are extreme. And they don't care what happens to the American public, they'll continue to chant their mantra that any concession opens the door to greater limitations on the specific rights they support.

Now, that isn't to say that individuals who are associated with those organizations don't have a wide and varied spectrum of opinion. I'm only talking about these organizations and their institutional positions.

Libs love using the dead as props.

The problem is, these dead children aren't props. Why does the right dehumanize victims like this?

Wrong. The GOP isn't the one's USING these kids to push their agenda - the radical, left-wing, liberal Democrats and socialists are.

The GOP couldn't use these kids to push their agenda. These kids just watched their classmates and teachers get gunned down. The only ones who will hear and support the concerns of these students, parents, and school staff members are those of a more liberal position.

"Radical NRA agenda?" Since when is protecting 2A rights a "radical" agenda?

Why would anyone need an assault weapon with a bump stock? Hunting? Yeah. Hunting... people.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I assume there's a brain somewhere inside your head?

Obviously the issue of gun rights matters to you. Let's not get too personal. I can respect that. I'm not against owning a gun. I'm not against owning hunting rifles. I'm concerned with the ease in which people can access assault weapons and how these assault weapons can be essentially turned into weapons that perform beyond their design.

And honestly, if prohibitions on specific weapons, ammunitions, devices, etc. can prevent one school shooting... if it can prevent the next shooter from squeezing off 20, 50, or more additional rounds within the same time frame, I think the safety of the American people is worth it.

Look, I know banning specific types of guns isn't going to prevent another shooting. But I'd like to take all measures to reduce their ability to purchase a weapon and any device that would increase the death toll.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

ndavid,
You state those kids are being used as pawns.

If they were NOT being used as pawns, how do you think they would have responded to what just happened at their school?
You think they would just dismiss what just happened and move on? i'm surprised as to why you're totally dismissing their grievances...

Exactly TGBTG. These students are responding in a manner that should be expected. And, it I think it should be expected that those who have historically supported gun control measures would come along side their cause.

Obviously the students feel that their adult representatives aren't doing enough to try to ensure their safety. So, they're speaking up.

They aren't pawns. It's a big "duh" to me. I'm surprised we haven't seen this kind of thing sooner. And, I'm certain that as more schools are attacked, and as more mass shootings take place...especially involving assault weapons... this movement of students, staff, and parents will become even bigger. These students want something done that might prevent attacks and that might reduce death the death toll of successful attacks. And they obviously aren't siding with the GOP and the NRA, because naturally... the GOP and the NRA would never side with them. This issue might sway a significant portion of the next generation away from the GOP if they aren't heard and their classmates and teachers keep getting gunned down.

Sadly, the only ones dismissing their concerns are those who are calling them pawns... those on the right.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Calm down. Relax a minute and think with me. I'm only saying that I see a comparison. If you don't, you don't have to. But to insist that someone else can't see something they do, well, is a bit looney. You can't control others. Just realize I see a comparison. I only illustrated why I don't see a comparison with unions. I never told you that you couldn't.

I get that you think there's a comparison. I'm saying it's disgusting and wrong to equate murdering babies with protecting our rights. There IS NO comparison between NARAL and the NRA. None.

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, would it be better to say would-be murderers?

If you believe everyone who owns a gun is a would-be murderer, whatever.

[n david]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

ndavid,
You state those kids are being used as pawns.

If they were NOT being used as pawns, how do you think they would have responded to what just happened at their school?
You think they would just dismiss what just happened and move on? i'm surprised as to why you're totally dismissing their grievances...

I'm not "totally dismissing" their grievances. I've simply argued that this walk out is stupid and is just wacko, radical left-wing, Dem groups using these kids to push their socialist agenda.

If they weren't being used by the left, obviously there would be grief and anger. The question is where would the anger and blame be pointed? The left and media have led them to point their anger at the big, bad NRA and members of Congress who have defended 2A rights.

The anger, however, should be directed at the shooter. There is also blame to go around with the FBI completely ignoring, not once but twice, warnings about this kid. They didn't investigate it as they admitted on Friday. They ignored their own protocols.