Were tithes ever required by Jesus or the Apostles?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's not a matter of expectation. There are two extremes.... make tithes a law, or expect to give nothing.

Giving causes God to bless. So it's up to us. Do we want much blessing or not? Give nothing, get nothing in return. Give much, get much blessing. It is the law of harvest. Not law of Moses. There is a difference.



Whatever you choose to give IN FAITH, is what God will determine for your return in blessing. It's not a matter of law and legalism DEMANDING so much. It is according to what faith you have to give what amount.

If it is a demand, DO NOT DO IT! You curse yourself by turning it into a law. Until you can give in FAITH, and not obligation, you will only curse yourself.

I believe and have been blessed in giving. I agree totally.

This Sunday the preacher spoke on Tithing....he noticed giving was down.

He said some do not give out of dis-obedience.

Were is the balance? .

Just made my soul ache.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Yes he is the same yesterday, Today and for-ever.

But the Law is not.

God of the O.T. was God. not son.

God of the New test. became Son The new High Priest and ful-filled the law.

The law changed by the law maker.

Well, since Jesus is the same God from the OT, don't you think He would honor it if you chose to make tithing your "plan" for giving to His work? I know we are no longer under the law, but that does not change the fact that tithing is a good solid Biblical principle.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rico

Well, since Jesus is the same God from the OT, don't you think He would honor it if you chose to make tithing your "plan" for giving to His work? I know we are no longer under the law, but that does not change the fact that tithing is a good solid Biblical principle.

Tithing is good! God blesses it. But we must not make it a law where we are cursed if we do not do it. That is why Gal taught what it did about cursing and blessings.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by COOPER

I believe and have been blessed in giving. I agree totally.

This Sunday the preacher spoke on Tithing....he noticed giving was down.

He said some do not give out of dis-obedience.

Were is the balance? .

Just made my soul ache.

The balance is where we do it out of faith and not law and demand. Many take New Testametn things and turn them into Old Testament laws, and they do not realize this is missing the mark, and it is legalism.

The bottom line is that whatever we give will determine how much we are blessed. That's all. Leave it at that, and make up your mind what you want. Blessings or no blessings? Cursing is NOT INVOLVED TODAY.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Tithing is good! God blesses it. But we must not make it a law where we are cursed if we do not do it. That is why Gal taught what it did about cursing and blessings.

Didn't I say it was a good principle and said nothing about it being a requirement? Are ya havin trouble with yer reading comprehension today? Wait a minute now! Don't all y'all start getting me confused with Chan now!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The balance is where we do it out of faith and not law and demand. Many take New Testametn things and turn them into Old Testament laws, and they do not realize this is missing the mark, and it is legalism.

The bottom line is that whatever we give will determine how much we are blessed. That's all. Leave it at that, and make up your mind what you want. Blessings or no blessings? Cursing is NOT INVOLVED TODAY.

I don't think what we give will determine how much we are blessed. I think it's more the attitude with which we give that makes the difference.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rico

I don't think what we give will determine how much we are blessed. I think it's more the attitude with which we give that makes the difference.

Hey, the bible said according to the measure we mete out will be what determines how much we receive.

Faith and giving go hand in hand for this to occur. Attitude is correct, but so is amount. If you have the same attitude of faith and give more than you did last time with that attitude, you will be blessed more. I have proved it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rico

Didn't I say it was a good principle and said nothing about it being a requirement? Are ya havin trouble with yer reading comprehension today? Wait a minute now! Don't all y'all start getting me confused with Chan now!

I am just recalling what you said about THE SAME GOD of the Old covenant and the new. It seemed you implied the law is the same.

And we simply need to emphasize it, even if you do agree, that it is not LAW to us today. Just keeping this clear for readers, too, you know.

[OP_Carl]

I have yet to attend a church whose bylaws did not stipulate that for one to be a member in full fellowship with voting privileges, one must have paid their tithe faithfully for at least six months.

I think most people, if they adopted a faith-based system of free-spirit giving would end up destroyed by the ensuing free-spirit spending that inevitably results in our culture of consumerism and predatory consumer credit policies.

I still say it is a measure of both faith and commitment, and even house-churches will quickly tire of free-spirit giving freeloaders.

Striving toward steadiness in giving teaches one steadiness in ALL areas of their finances. On a planet of seven billion people, there is only ONE person who is looking your for YOUR financial best interests, and that is YOU. Wouldn't you like to implement a steady plan for spending and saving your money, and avoid ruination?

Have it your way. Go ahead and try this NEW doctrine and see if it's an improvement over the practices of believers over the centuries.

Perhaps your free-spirit preacher will decide to pray for your family, officiate your kids weddings, and conduct your funerals only when he feels he has the faith and unction to do so? Maybe the church will only have service when the spirit has moved enough people to have the lights and water turned back on?

[mfblume]

New doctrine??? LOL. Oh, well, if NEW Testament is too new for you, well then...

2Co 9:7 KJV Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The fact is that tithing as a law is something that is not New Testament. Period.

And the TRUE teaching of giving is that we strive for SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS and not money. This is not new. It is what the bible taught.

Luk 16:11 KJV If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?

TRUE riches are spiritual! Not carnal like money. Do not confuse what I say with some nonsense about seeking monetary wealth! My goodness! It is seeking TRUE RICHES of spiritual things.