What We Will Get With Hillary

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Of course you will have to find a politician that doesnt lie. Good luck with that.

There are no honest politicians. So, I look at it this way.... are they lying to protect the rich at the expense of the working class? Or are they lying to protect the working class at the expense of the rich and powerful?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

King David was a rascal. He committed adultery, had an innocent man killed, feigned insanity to avoid execution at the hands of the Philistines. Yet he was.... a man after God's own heart. Why? His motives. He desired to see justice for the weak, even loved the law he broke, and was determined to defeat the enemies of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

lol

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

"All war is the art of deception." ~ Sun Tzu The Art of War

You can't wage war for the average American against the entrenched corporate money powers who are determined to aggregate the vast majority of our nation's wealth into their private accounts without engaging in deception. It's not like the entrenched money powers aren't lying and filling the airwaves with propaganda to get you to vote yourself into accepting a below minimum wage.

In a war you fire bullets... and you spread misinformation. Either you have the stomach for it or you don't. But you'll need to be able to stomach the hard cold truth if you want to win a war be it tactical or class warfare.

Oh, and regardless of what you think, the right to vote is a Constitutional right that has no implied qualifications.

It is because of people who think like you that this country is going the way of the Roman Empire. Personally you are a good person. Sadly, you have thrown away your birthright and do not even know it. But I predict one day you will wake-up.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

lol

David was not a SJW. He was a man after God's heart because of his repentance and contrition. And he suffered greatly because of his sins.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

David was not a SJW. He was a man after God's heart because of his repentance and contrition. And he suffered greatly because of his sins.

Are you sure???

Psalm 140:12, 13 NIV
I know that the Lord secures justice for the poor and upholds the cause of the needy. Surely the righteous will praise your name, and the upright will live in your presence.

Psalms 119:121
I have done judgment and justice: leave me not to mine oppressors.

Psalms 82:3
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

2 Samuel 8:15
And David reigned over all Israel; and David executed judgment and justice unto all his people.

The word "JUSTICE" is an interesting word. Here's the Holman Bible Dictionary's comprehensive definition of biblical "JUSTICE". Hopefully you'll see how in reality, the entire Bible is a document admonishing social justice towards the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the alien:

Holman Bible Dictionary
http://www.studylight.org/dictionari....cgi?w=JUSTICE

Justice

The order God seeks to reestablish in His creation where all people receive the benefits of life with Him. As love is for the New Testament, so justice is the central ethical idea of the Old Testament. The frequency of justice is sometimes missed by the reader due to a failure to realize that the wide range of the Hebrew word mishpat , particularly in passages that deal with the material and social necessities of life.

Nature of justice Justice has two major aspects. First, it is the standard by which penalties are assigned for breaking the obligations of the society. Second, justice is the standard by which the advantages of social life are handed out, including material goods, rights of participation, opportunities, and liberties. It is the standard for both punishment and benefits and thus can be spoken of as a plumb line. “I shall use justice as a plumb-line, and righteousness as a plummet” (Isaiah 28:17 , REB).

Often people think of justice in the Bible only in the first sense as God's wrath on evil. This aspect of justice indeed is present, such as the judgment mentioned in John 3:19 . Often more vivid words like “wrath” are used to describe punitive justice (Romans 1:18 ).

Justice in the Bible very frequently also deals with benefits. Cultures differ widely in determining the basis by which the benefits are to be justly distributed. For some it is by birth and nobility. For others the basis is might or ability or merit. Or it might simply be whatever is the law or whatever has been established by contracts. The Bible takes another possibility. Benefits are distributed according to need. Justice then is very close to love and grace. God “executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing” (Deuteronomy 10:18 , NRSV; compare Hosea 10:12; Isaiah 30:18 ).

Various needy groups are the recipients of justice. These groups include widows, orphans, resident aliens (also called “sojourners” or “strangers”), wage earners, the poor, and prisoners, slaves, and the sick (Job 29:12-17; Psalm 146:7-9; Malachi 3:5 ). Each of these groups has specific needs which keep its members from being able to participate in aspects of the life of their community. Even life itself might be threatened. Justice involves meeting those needs. The forces which deprive people of what is basic for community life are condemned as oppression (Micah 2:2; Ecclesiastes 4:1 ). To oppress is to use power for one's own advantage in depriving others of their basic rights in the community (see Mark 12:40 ). To do justice is to correct that abuse and to meet those needs (Isaiah 1:17 ). Injustice is depriving others of their basic needs or failing to correct matters when those rights are not met (Jeremiah 5:28; Job 29:12-17 ). Injustice is either a sin of commission or of omission.

The content of justice, the benefits which are to be distributed as basic rights in the community, can be identified by observing what is at stake in the passages in which “justice,” “righteousness,” and “judgment” occur. The needs which are met include land (Ezekiel 45:6-9; compare Micah 2:2; Micah 4:4 ) and the means to produce from the land, such as draft animals and millstones (Deuteronomy 22:1-4; Deuteronomy 24:6 ). These productive concerns are basic to securing other essential needs and thus avoiding dependency; thus the millstone is called the “life” of the person (Deuteronomy 24:6 ). Other needs are those essential for mere physical existence and well being: food (Deuteronomy 10:18; Psalm 146:7 ), clothing (Deuteronomy 24:13 ), and shelter (Psalm 68:6; Job 8:6 ). Job 22:5-9 ,Job 22:5-9,22:23; Job 24:1-12 decries the injustice of depriving people of each one of these needs, which are material and economic. The equal protection of each person in civil and judicial procedures is represented in the demand for due process ( Deuteronomy 16:18-20 ). Freedom from bondage is comparable to not being “in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and lack of everything” (Deuteronomy 28:48 NRSV).

Justice presupposes God's intention for people to be in community. When people had become poor and weak with respect to the rest of the community, they were to be strengthened so that they could continue to be effective members of the community—living with them and beside them (Leviticus 25:35-36 ). Thus biblical justice restores people to community.By justice those who lacked the power and resources to participate in significant aspects of the community were to be strengthened so that they could. This concern in Leviticus 25:1 is illustrated by the provision of the year of Jubilee, in which at the end of the fifty year period land is restored to those who had lost it through sale or foreclosure of debts ( Leviticus 25:28 ). Thus they regained economic power and were brought back into the economic community. Similarly, interest on loans was prohibited (Leviticus 25:36 ) as a process which pulled people down, endangering their position in the community.

These legal provisions express a further characteristic of justice. Justice delivers; it does not merely relieve the immediate needs of those in dire straits (Psalm 76:9; Isaiah 45:8; Isaiah 58:11; Isaiah 62:1-2 ). Helping the needy means setting them back on their feet, giving a home, leading to prosperity, restoration, ending the oppression (Psalm 68:5-10; Psalm 10:15-16; compare 107; Psalm 113:7-9 ). Such thorough justice can be socially disruptive. In the Jubilee year as some receive back lands, others lose recently-acquired additional land. The advantage to some is a disadvantage to others. In some cases the two aspects of justice come together. In the act of restoration, those who were victims of justice receive benefits while their exploiters are punished (1 Samuel 2:7-10; compare Luke 1:51-53; Luke 6:20-26 ).

The source of justice As the sovereign Creator of the universe, God is just (Psalm 99:1-4; Genesis 18:25; Deuteronomy 32:4; Jeremiah 9:24 ), particularly as the defender of all the oppressed of the earth (Psalm 76:9; Psalm 103:6; Jeremiah 49:11 ). Justice thus is universal (Psalm 9:7-9 ) and applies to each covenant or dispensation. Jesus affirmed for His day the centrality of the Old Testament demand for justice (Matthew 23:23 ). Justice is the work of the New Testament people of God (James 1:27 ).

God's justice is not a distant external standard. It is the source of all human justice (Proverbs 29:26; 2Chronicles 19:6,2 Chronicles 19:9 ). Justice is grace received and grace shared (2 Corinthians 9:8-10 ).

The most prominent human agent of justice is the ruler. The king receives God's justice and is a channel for it (Psalm 72:1; compare Romans 13:1-2 ,Romans 13:1-2,13:4 ). There is not a distinction between a personal, voluntary justice and a legal, public justice. The same caring for the needy groups of the society is demanded of the ruler (Psalm 72:4; Ezekiel 34:4; Jeremiah 22:15-16 ). Such justice was also required of pagan rulers (Daniel 4:27; Proverbs 31:8-9 ).

Justice is also a central demand on all people who bear the name of God. Its claim is so basic that without it other central demands and provisions of God are not acceptable to God. Justice is required to be present with the sacrificial system (Amos 5:21-24; Micah 6:6-8; Isaiah 1:11-17; Matthew 5:23-24 ), fasting (Isaiah 58:1-10 ), tithing (Matthew 23:23 ), obedience to the other commandments (Matthew 19:16-21 ), or the presence of the Temple of God (Jeremiah 7:1-7 ).

Justice in salvation Apart from describing God's condemnation of sin, Paul used the language and meaning of justice to speak of personal salvation. “The righteousness of God” represents God in grace bringing into the community of God through faith in Christ those who had been outside of the people of God (particularly in Romans but compare also Ephesians 2:12-13 ). See Law; Government; Poverty; Righteousness; Welfare.

Stephen Charles Mott

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It is because of people who think like you that this country is going the way of the Roman Empire. Personally you are a good person. Sadly, you have thrown away your birthright and do not even know it. But I predict one day you will wake-up.

Did you know what regulations our forefathers placed in corporate power? Most don't realize that our Founders would agree more with Democrats with regards to how to deal with corporate power than Republicans. For example, our Founders placed the following limitations on corporations:

◾Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
◾Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
◾Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
◾Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
◾Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
◾Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

Source:
Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporat...rporations-us/

[Aquila]

The entire social justice movement from the abolition of slavery to civil rights was inspired by.... the Bible.

[Aquila]

But today conservatives have abandoned the call for social justice. Instead, they claim that one cannot believe the Bible unless they lick the boots of the corporate elite.

[Aquila]

I've always been amazed at how income is distributed in the United States.