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11-16-2015, 12:32 AM
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Re: Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?
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JD, but it is going from bad to worst. No more Gaddafi and Libya is totally flipped out, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, the only one who is jugging right along is Iran. That is because no one took out their leadership. Empires don't work, they always wreak havoc on the country which the empire comes from. Sooner of later power changes hands, it always happens like that.
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What I do know is that there was no chance of ISIS under Hussein. Iraq was relatively stable until we invaded, destroyed their governmental infrastructure, devalued their currency and everything else we did to make sure that Iraq was not functional.
We didn't properly repair what we destroyed. Then, we left them. In the absence of true leadership, ISIS took control. ISIS has American weaponry and American military tanks and hummers because the Iraqi army was weak and because we helped to fund and arm rebels in Syria who were treacherous-- selling and even giving their American weapons away to ISIS.
This kind of stuff happens when there is a lack of leadership and in this case, the lack of leadership is not just over there, but it is in the White House too.
We destroyed Iraq, didn't build it back up properly, and didn't establish the right leaders who would lead in Iraq.
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11-16-2015, 12:36 AM
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Re: Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?
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What I do know is that there was no chance of ISIS under Hussein. Iraq was relatively stable until we invaded, destroyed their governmental infrastructure, devalued their currency and everything else we did to make sure that Iraq was not functional.
We didn't properly repair what we destroyed. Then, we left them. In the absence of true leadership, ISIS took control. ISIS has American weaponry and American military tanks and hummers because the Iraqi army was weak and because we helped to fund rebels in Syria and they were treacherous-- selling and even giving their American weapons away to ISIS. This kind of stuff happens when there is a lack of leadership.
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OK, so the United States goes in destroys the country, and leaves, then a group fills the vacuum causing the United States to go back in again. Won't work, you cannot legislate, or force people to obey, when they don't want you there.
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11-16-2015, 02:30 AM
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Re: Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?
We had no business ever gong to Iraq. The Middle East is unstable, but not due to outside influences. Internal problems have made the region what it is today.
Syria is a mess due to the Assad family, not due to anyone else.
We have no business going there to clean it up.
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11-16-2015, 02:58 AM
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11-16-2015, 04:53 AM
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The odd thing of it all...had we not disposed of Saddam there would probably be no ISIS.
The reality is Obama encouraged the Arab Spring movement, even giving them hope we would help. That destabilized Libya, Syria and Yemen.
I blame both Bush and Obama. Obama also must be blamed for his cruddy policy in post war Iraq of not keeping forces there and calling ISIS a JV team...what a moron.
The sad truth is, these dictatorial despots helped stabilize the middle east through their oppressive practices.
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11-16-2015, 07:31 AM
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isis isn't around because we deposed Hussein; isis came about from the incompetence of this administration with Libya and Syria. There was no isis until after Gaddafi was killed and the US began arming "rebels" in Syria.
Hillary Clinton's state dept had a lot to do with that, smuggling arms through Libya to Syria.
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11-16-2015, 10:05 AM
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Re: Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?
First Saudi Arabia used the United States as a hired army against Saddam (Oh yeah, we didn't get paid, in fact we footed the bill). This is what enraged Muslims. They wanted Muslim army's to take care of Muslim problems. The Bush family and the Saudi family that is in power have been friends forever. Talking about doing a friend a favor.
Yes, we destabilized the region when we went into Iraq after 9-11. Yes we should have never gone in. Yes we pulled out to early.
What fixes this? Get all the Muslim countries together in one room. Tell them we are going to go in one last time and then they are or there own. We will Never return no matter how many wars they have or people they kill. Then have our military go in and let them take the gloves off. The only reason any of this has taken SOOOOOoooooo Long is because they give the military rules of engagement that are ridiculous. We are at war, we are not there to babysit these people. Yes, we can kill our way out of this!
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11-16-2015, 10:26 AM
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We had no business ever gong to Iraq. The Middle East is unstable, but not due to outside influences. Internal problems have made the region what it is today.
Syria is a mess due to the Assad family, not due to anyone else.
We have no business going there to clean it up.
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11-16-2015, 10:27 AM
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Re: Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?
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The odd thing of it all...had we not disposed of Saddam there would probably be no ISIS.
The reality is Obama encouraged the Arab Spring movement, even giving them hope we would help. That destabilized Libya, Syria and Yemen.
I blame both Bush and Obama. Obama also must be blamed for his cruddy policy in post war Iraq of not keeping forces there and calling ISIS a JV team...what a moron.
The sad truth is, these dictatorial despots helped stabilize the middle east through their oppressive practices.
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11-16-2015, 10:32 AM
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Re: Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?
This war against terror cant be compared to Nazi Germany and WW2.
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