Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Funny.

Presidential Candidate and noted family values supporter and Baptist preacher was asked basically the same question recently.

The question he was asked was "is marital infidelity or gay marriage a greater danger to the family"

The question itself is not intended to be answered. The question is intended to negate a particular view simply by asking a question.

Sorry. Im not going to bite.

Go ask GeeBus why he put Acts 2:38 in the bible. Go ask GeeBus why he put Mathew 16 in the bible.

argue with God about his word. Im not here to defeat you with cunningly devised arguments of men. (like your question...)

no I am not trying to be nice.

Really? Would you treat the poster different if you found out that they were one of our youth and it was a genuine question?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Loren,

#1...the works being spoken of here, are under the context of the Law of Moses, not Spirit Led works.

#2...these passages were written to folks that were already saved through Spirit led works.(Telling them the Law they left in the rear view mirror cannot save them, but to continue in Spirit led works)

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Repentance is a work, and it is "God led".


Israel was even water baptized as a Spirit led experience(Grace)....1 Corinthians 10
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;(the Law of works came after salvation)

How many times have we used this passage to try and prove water baptism as a part of initial salvation. But what seems to be forgotten is the fact that the nation Israel were already God's people long before they even went down into Egypt. As a birthright of being the sons of Abraham.
Why else do you think that the religious leaders of Christ day proclaimed they were the children of Abraham?

Why do we call it the law of works anyway? The law as basically a list of thou shalt not, not thou shalt do's. That being said, the keeping of the law did not save anyone. The yearly sacrifices pushed the sins of the people ahead to the cross, the cross is what saved and saves people. It was the faith in the sacrifices that saved people. And that was not done by the individual, but performed by the priest.
And Christ became our high priest, fulfilling the work of the OT priest himself, without any assistance from us. Taking ALL the sins of the whole world upon himself. That because of his grace we can be saved by faith.

There is one last thing most do not seem to grasp when reading the letters of Paul. Paul was writing primarily to Gentile Christians who did not have a concept of the Law of Moses, why then do we read into scripture that Paul is speaking of keeping the law of Moses when he references the law?
When Paul does speak of the law of Moses he is specific, in addressing Jews and not Gentiles.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Really? Would you treat the poster different if you found out that they were one of our youth and it was a genuine question?

well... If in person a young person asked me that same question, I would in fact dig a bit deeper and find the source of the question (hey I like kids)

then I would

1. refer to Matt. 16. and insure we understand that regardless of what may or may not be the case with people who are no longer with us, we ourselves are left with the text of scripture.

I would also point out how we see on a regular bases a society that likes to use questions to nullfy some bit of truth. Just like I did in this thread.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Really? Would you treat the poster different if you found out that they were one of our youth and it was a genuine question?

PS, THIS place is a place where people ask the kind of question I suggest. its not really a place where innocents show up with questions.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

How many times have we used this passage to try and prove water baptism as a part of initial salvation. But what seems to be forgotten is the fact that the nation Israel were already God's people long before they even went down into Egypt. As a birthright of being the sons of Abraham.
Why else do you think that the religious leaders of Christ day proclaimed they were the children of Abraham?

Why do we call it the law of works anyway? The law as basically a list of thou shalt not, not thou shalt do's. That being said, the keeping of the law did not save anyone. The yearly sacrifices pushed the sins of the people ahead to the cross, the cross is what saved and saves people. It was the faith in the sacrifices that saved people. And that was not done by the individual, but performed by the priest.
And Christ became our high priest, fulfilling the work of the OT priest himself, without any assistance from us. Taking ALL the sins of the whole world upon himself. That because of his grace we can be saved by faith.

There is one last thing most do not seem to grasp when reading the letters of Paul. Paul was writing primarily to Gentile Christians who did not have a concept of the Law of Moses, why then do we read into scripture that Paul is speaking of keeping the law of Moses when he references the law?
When Paul does speak of the law of Moses he is specific, in addressing Jews and not Gentiles.

Loren, the Epistles were written to folks that were being constantly barraged with "Law keepers".

All of these epistles were in "defense mode" from the Law keepers.

The works of the "Law Keepers" were being scrutinized by the Apostles, book by book, with warnings to the Church that the "works of the Law" cannot save them.

However, James speaks of Spirit Led works that are expected, when he said ..."faith without works is dead, being alone".

2000 years later, the religious world interprets the "works of the Law" as "Spirit Led Works".....

The battle has changed in our culture today...we are not encircled by Jews pushing the Law on us....

So we think these verses are speaking of non Law related issues, like the salvation works of Acts 2.

Simply stating...we use the term "works", out of context.

[amh]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Funny.

Presidential Candidate and noted family values supporter and Baptist preacher was asked basically the same question recently.

The question he was asked was "is marital infidelity or gay marriage a greater danger to the family"

The question itself is not intended to be answered. The question is intended to negate a particular view simply by asking a question.

Sorry. Im not going to bite.

Go ask GeeBus why he put Acts 2:38 in the bible. Go ask GeeBus why he put Mathew 16 in the bible.

argue with God about his word. Im not here to defeat you with cunningly devised arguments of men. (like your question...)

no I am not trying to be nice.

I am fifteen. I am not as well versed in the Scriptures as I would like to be. I asked this question on this specific forum so that I would possibly get some actual answers that people haven't just stuck with because they hear it preached every Sunday; no, I am here because I want people who have thought this stuff through and considered every variable and have sought the Lord for revelation to answer me.

[amh]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Really? Would you treat the poster different if you found out that they were one of our youth and it was a genuine question?

Exactly. I wasn't trying to disprove God or anything. I'm not some skilled rhetorician trying to ask a question with the intention of persuading you to believe like me. I am in doubt of my own beliefs!!

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Some things we will only know at judgment....it is for us that know to obey what we know and leave what we do not know in the hands of Him who knows all things....

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by amh

Exactly. I wasn't trying to disprove God or anything. I'm not some skilled rhetorician trying to ask a question with the intention of persuading you to believe like me. I am in doubt of my own beliefs!!

You really need to work out your own beliefs, no one can do that for you.

There will be many things that will try out your faith.

I have over many years debated atheists and can tell you that their arguments do not hold any water. They are buckets with holes, they keep on filling their heads with foolish arguments, but eventually their arguments wash out.

Even more dangerous than atheists are so called Christians, people who think they know the Bible and they even try to use the Bible to destroy your faith.
The devil himself attempted to use scriptures against Jesus, but Jesus was not fooled by a misinterpretation of scripture and corrected the devil in the proper way to interpret scripture.

There is a right way to interpret scripture and a wrong way, and if the devil can not stop you from believing in the bible then he will try to steer you to interpret scriptures wrong.

We must do like Jesus and interpret scriptures with scriptures.

[Disciple4life]

A logical conclusion is if one scripture doesn't agree with the rest of scripture Maybe we have interpreted it wrong.