Whaaaaaaatt???? What's happening in Canada??

[Truly Blessed]

Why would anyone feel that the Canadians becoming nationaized would be "breaking away" from the UPCI? It is supposed to be the goal of every missionary to bring the nation where they are serving to nationalization as soon as that country has enough ministers and churches, along with qualified leaders to direct the affairs of the national organization.

In the early 90's, while serving as Atlantic District Foreign Missions Director, I suggested that Canada should be its own National Organization and support its own missionaries. (At that time a C$, by the time it actually reached the missionary was worth about 65 cents.) Of course that flew like a lead balloon.

I disagree that the UPCI and UPC Canada would be weakened by Canada being on its own. The PAOC has been independent from the AOG in the USA from the outset and it is the largest Pentecostal organization in Canada by far. The ACOP is a Canadian organization with its own headquarters in Calgary, it's own missions department, its own accredited Bible college that had 120 students last year, etc.

Does anyone know of any other country in the world that has as many churches and ministers as Canada that has not become nationalized? Canada has its own culture, is a bilingual nation, is already registered as a charitable organization, has an annual Canadian Conference, etc.

I believe the Canadian UPC would benefit from being nationalized. This is not the same as "breaking away". I would call it "growing up".

[Monkeyman]

What happened is that they voted in a General Sup position like in most other countries....go home nothing to see here...oh and btw, thanks for not asking someone who attends the church where the meeting is being held, sheesh. Beginning to feel left out around AFF, grrrrr! (Except Boom)

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

What happened is that they voted in a General Sup position like in most other countries....go home nothing to see here...oh and btw, thanks for not asking someone who attends the church where the meeting is being held, sheesh. Beginning to feel left out around AFF, grrrrr! (Except Boom)

Monkeyman, thanks for the information! I feel this is a step in the right direction. It's time for UPC of Canada to come into its own and establish its "national" identity versus the individual provinces simply relating to the American organization as "districts" within that organization.

BTW, I'll be seeing you in a couple weeks at the Summer Summit! Who are the speakers this year?

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

What happened is that they voted in a General Sup position like in most other countries....go home nothing to see here...oh and btw, thanks for not asking someone who attends the church where the meeting is being held, sheesh. Beginning to feel left out around AFF, grrrrr! (Except Boom)

Wow!

This is a pretty major news flash - "a General Sup position like in most other countries."

The election of a Canadian Superintendent would be a major structural change in the UPCC.

Who was elected General Superintendent of Canada?

What will happen to the position of Executive Presbyter for Canada that Bro. Granville MacKenzie now holds?

Will the UPCC continue to have representation on the Executive Board of the UPCI?

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Why would anyone feel that the Canadians becoming nationaized would be "breaking away" from the UPCI? It is supposed to be the goal of every missionary to bring the nation where they are serving to nationalization as soon as that country has enough ministers and churches, along with qualified leaders to direct the affairs of the national organization.

In the early 90's, while serving as Atlantic District Foreign Missions Director, I suggested that Canada should be its own National Organization and support its own missionaries. (At that time a C$, by the time it actually reached the missionary was worth about 65 cents.) Of course that flew like a lead balloon.

I disagree that the UPCI and UPC Canada would be weakened by Canada being on its own. The PAOC has been independent from the AOG in the USA from the outset and it is the largest Pentecostal organization in Canada by far. The ACOP is a Canadian organization with its own headquarters in Calgary, it's own missions department, its own accredited Bible college that had 120 students last year, etc.

Does anyone know of any other country in the world that has as many churches and ministers as Canada that has not become nationalized? Canada has its own culture, is a bilingual nation, is already registered as a charitable organization, has an annual Canadian Conference, etc.

I believe the Canadian UPC would benefit from being nationalized. This is not the same as "breaking away". I would call it "growing up".

This post makes sense, if I understand the thread right.

Canada would still be a part of the UPCI, right? Just independent from the states.

Are any other countries like that now, or is Bro Haney superintendent over all countries?

[TRIPLE E]

I haven't posted in a while but all that is being done is being done right now is for the sake of evangelism in Canada .I believe this is a step in the right direction!

[TrueNorth]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

What happened is that they voted in a General Sup position like in most other countries....go home nothing to see here...oh and btw, thanks for not asking someone who attends the church where the meeting is being held, sheesh. Beginning to feel left out around AFF, grrrrr! (Except Boom)

Monkey
I was at the Canada Conference as well. This is not what happened. Canada has an executive presbyter (Granville MacKenzie) who was elected at the General Conference. A letter and poll were sent out by three men asking if ministers would be in favor of the executive presbyter becoming an assistant general superintendent or if ministers would be in favor of a separate organization. These three gentlemen, while fine elders, had no official standing to do so and in my opinion do not have much of a constituency to back them.

There is no significant movement (it would probably be safe to say "no movement") to create a "sister" organization that would break off from the UPCI. Canada already has the UPC of Canada which serves a role in complying with government of Canada regulations regarding the flow of money out of Canada. It has not and does not serve as a ministerial organization.

Canada has just over 200 UPCI churches, the majority of which are in two districts - Ontario and Atlantic. In patriotic terms a separate sister organization is appealing, in practical financial and operational terms it loses it's luster and becomes just another layer of bureaucracy.

Hope this helps. There is no story here.

Truenorth

[TrueNorth]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Wow!

This is a pretty major news flash - "a General Sup position like in most other countries."

The election of a Canadian Superintendent would be a major structural change in the UPCC.

Who was elected General Superintendent of Canada?

What will happen to the position of Executive Presbyter for Canada that Bro. Granville MacKenzie now holds?

Will the UPCC continue to have representation on the Executive Board of the UPCI?

Maple Leaf
Stop making fun and asking inconvenient questions.
Truenorth

[retsambeW]

True North,

My sources seem to agree with your version of events. Would you say that while a UPC of Canada sounds appetizing to some, that current situations and logistics make it undesireable?

[Rhoni]

With only 200 churches in Canada which belong to UPCI, to become it's own organization would cut off it's nose to spite it's face. There is very little fellowship anyway.

Blessings, Rhoni