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Old 12-02-2014, 04:02 AM
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Re: Modern pentecostal church music and Oneness

That last one... it's a beautiful piece of poetry but... what is it really saying? I'm not sure how to explain it, but it seems... vacuous? I mean that the words are nicely done from a rhetorical pov (I teach classical rhetoric) it's got some pathos going there but what concretely is it saying? What is in the song that people can CONCRETELY relate to?

"Take me deeper than my feet could ever take me"... what exactly does that mean? How? In what way?

"Jesus hold my hand" as a phrase evokes recognition in everyone's mind, because everyone can relate to having someone hold their hand. This evokes ideas of a dad holding a child's hand helping them walk, or a friend holding one's hand as a sign of companionship and fellowship, or of a stronger holding the hand of a weaker helping them navigate difficulties. But walking on water is an abstract concept that has ONLY the story of Peter as a reference point. Sure we can appreciate the metaphor, God taking us into the realm of the impossible, but it just doesn't RESONATE with human experience in a CONCRETE way. I'm sure I muddled what I was trying to say lol. And again it's not a bad piece of lyric, just... kind of like ice cream vs steak and potatoes. Ice cream tastes great, and has some intrinsic worth. But steak and taters stick to your ribs, know what I mean?

The other three are pretty good lyrically. Especially the offering song.
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That last one... it's a beautiful piece of poetry but... what is it really saying? I'm not sure how to explain it, but it seems... vacuous? I mean that the words are nicely done from a rhetorical pov (I teach classical rhetoric) it's got some pathos going there but what concretely is it saying? What is in the song that people can CONCRETELY relate to?

"Take me deeper than my feet could ever take me"... what exactly does that mean? How? In what way?

"Jesus hold my hand" as a phrase evokes recognition in everyone's mind, because everyone can relate to having someone hold their hand. This evokes ideas of a dad holding a child's hand helping them walk, or a friend holding one's hand as a sign of companionship and fellowship, or of a stronger holding the hand of a weaker helping them navigate difficulties. But walking on water is an abstract concept that has ONLY the story of Peter as a reference point. Sure we can appreciate the metaphor, God taking us into the realm of the impossible, but it just doesn't RESONATE with human experience in a CONCRETE way. I'm sure I muddled what I was trying to say lol. And again it's not a bad piece of lyric, just... kind of like ice cream vs steak and potatoes. Ice cream tastes great, and has some intrinsic worth. But steak and taters stick to your ribs, know what I mean?

The other three are pretty good lyrically. Especially the offering song.
I think it was based on the story where Jesus called Peter to walk on water.
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Old 12-02-2014, 04:31 AM
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Sorry I kinda skimmed through your post and didn't read the part where you mentioned Peter. LOL. My bad. I searched for the song story and found this:

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I read and re-read your last post and my response would be:

When I first heard this song, it was Peter's story that first came to mind and as I reviewed the lyrics in that context, I gained a deeper appreciation of the song.

Not sure if you meant that the song was seemingly empty or lacking in substance. For me it was very meaningful and beautiful. It may not be something that unbelievers can easily relate to unless you explain it to them, but once you show them Peter's story and have them read the lyrics again in that context, I'm pretty confident they can grasp what it is saying.
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Re: Modern pentecostal church music and Oneness

Are there any modern Oneness songs that actually teach Oneness doctrine?

Speaking of which, do ya'll agree that church music should be written with a specific goal in mind, one of which is to teach sound doctrine? I dont mean "just not be contraryto soud doctrine" but to actually assist in discipleship by teaching?

Meanwhile heres a long but good read for pastors, musicians, and worship leaders:

http://www.christianheritagemins.org...n%20Trial..htm
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This one is pretty popular but I don't know if you would consider it "Oneness."

HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD

The splendor of a king
Clothed in majesty
Let all the earth rejoice
All the earth rejoice

He wraps Himself in light,
And darkness tries to hide
And trembles at His voice
Trembles at His voice

How great is our God – sing with me
How great is our God – and all will see
How great, how great is our God

Age to age He stands
And time is in His hands
Beginning and the end
Beginning and the end

The Godhead Three in One
Father, Spirit, Son
The Lion and the Lamb
The Lion and the Lamb

How great is our God – sing with me
How great is our God – and all will see
How great, how great is our God

Name above all names
Worthy of all praise
My heart will sing
How great is our God

Name above all names
You're worthy of all praise
And my heart will sing
How great is our God

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How great is our God – sing with me
How great is our God – and all will see
How great, how great is our God
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