Scholars find Matt.28:19 to be fraudulent.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by houston

Funny... People believe that the bible is the infallible word of God except for Matthew 28:19

Also 1 John 5:7 and perhaps a few others.

[wordsponge]

Originally Posted by houston

Funny... People believe that the bible is the infallible word of God except for Matthew 28:19

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Christianity is not gullibility.

1 Thes.5
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

EXPERIENCE:
Pss.34
[8] O taste (EXPERIENCE) and see that the LORD (JESUS) is good:
Blessed is the man who trusts (has faith) in him.


Christians are TRUTH lovers.
They will not support men against GOD.

Keep well..

[Steven Avery]

Cherry picking a few "scholars" parroting disinformation is not a good way to inquire into the textual background of a verse.

Here is a post that I placed on the textual criticism forum.

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Actually, Matthew 28:19 is one of the very best supported verses in the Ante-Nicene period.

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[textualcriticism] Matthew 28:19 – the most attested verse ? – early church writers (ECW)
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...ns/topics/5899

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INDEX OF REFERENCES

Ignatius (110 AD)
Epistle to the Philadelphians

Justin Martyr (c. 150 AD)
First Apology

Irenaeus – (2nd century)
Against Heresies

Diatessoran (Tatian, c.175 AD)

Didache (c. 2nd century)

Apostolic Teachings (2nd Century) (x references)

The Ecclesiastical Canons of the Same Holy Apostles

Tertullian – (c. 200 AD)
On Baptism.– Chapter XIII.
Against Praxeas
Prescription against Heretics

Hippolytus (c.200 AD)
Against the Heresy of One Noetus

Cyprian (c. 230 AD)
Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews
Epistle LXXII.1 To Jubaianus

The Seventh Council of Carthage Under Cyprian
Lucius of Castra Galbae
Munnulus of Girba
Euchratius of Thenae
Bishop Vincentius of Thibaris

Origen (c.250 AD)
Commentary on Romans
Origen de Principiis Book I

Gregory Thaumaturgus (c. 250 AD)
A Sectional Confession of Faith, XIII

Treatise Against Novatian by an Anonymous Bishop. (c.255)

Treatise on Rebaptism (c 250)

Victorinus (c.300AD)

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It is time to drop the myth that this is a non-attested verse.

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There was a bit of minor tweaking to the above in the next couple of posts.

Steven Avery

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Cherry picking a few "scholars" parroting disinformation is not a good way to inquire into the textual background of a verse.

Here is a post that I placed on the textual criticism forum.

===============

Actually, Matthew 28:19 is one of the very best supported verses in the Ante-Nicene period.

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[textualcriticism] Matthew 28:19 – the most attested verse ? – early church writers (ECW)
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...ns/topics/5899

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INDEX OF REFERENCES

Ignatius (110 AD)
Epistle to the Philadelphians

Ignatius, Letter to the Philippians, an already proven fraudulent letter.

Justin Martyr (c. 150 AD)
First Apology

First Apology, LXI, approximate citation, no verbatim citation.

Irenaeus – (2nd century)
Against Heresies

Against Heresies, Bk. 3, ch. XVII, there are many interpolations in his texts.

Diatessoran (Tatian, c.175 AD)

The Diatesseron, The commentaries of Ephrem have proven that it was corrupted

Didache (c. 2nd century)

The Didache is self-contradictory it has both types of baptisms, baptismal texts widely denounced as interpolations. It is a composite work and the first six chapters come from a Jewish document titled The Two Ways

Apostolic Teachings (2nd Century) (x references)

Full of interpolations

The Ecclesiastical Canons of the Same Holy Apostles

Also full of interpolations

Tertullian – (c. 200 AD)
On Baptism.– Chapter XIII.
Against Praxeas
Prescription against Heretics

many interpolations in Tertullian’s texts

Hippolytus (c.200 AD)
Against the Heresy of One Noetus

The writings of Hippolytus have too many interpolations.

Cyprian (c. 230 AD)
Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews
Epistle LXXII.1 To Jubaianus

Pope Stephen called Cyprian the bishop of Carthage “a false Christ and a false apostle, and a deceitful worker” and excommunicated him for his opposition to baptism in the name of Jesus Christ,

The Seventh Council of Carthage Under Cyprian
Lucius of Castra Galbae
Munnulus of Girba
Euchratius of Thenae
Bishop Vincentius of Thibaris

Origen (c.250 AD)
Commentary on Romans
Origen de Principiis Book I

Origen actually mentioned baptism in the name of Jesus
The Second council of Constantinople, 553 AD issued an anathema against Origen for not believing in the Trinity.
Tyrannius Rufinus (340-410) confessed to have altered Origin's writings.

Gregory Thaumaturgus (c. 250 AD)
A Sectional Confession of Faith, XIII

This is another writer which has texts that are known to be spurious and the earliest copy of this text is from the 16th Century.

Treatise Against Novatian by an Anonymous Bishop. (c.255)

"Have not researched this text"

Treatise on Rebaptism (c 250)

"Have not researched this text"

Victorinus (c.300AD)

"Have not researched this text"

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It is time to drop the myth that this is a non-attested verse.

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There was a bit of minor tweaking to the above in the next couple of posts.

Steven Avery

Texts full of Catholic interpolations do not count as evidence.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Cherry picking a few "scholars" parroting disinformation is not a good way to inquire into the textual background of a verse.

Here is a post that I placed on the textual criticism forum.

===============

Actually, Matthew 28:19 is one of the very best supported verses in the Ante-Nicene period.

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[textualcriticism] Matthew 28:19 – the most attested verse ? – early church writers (ECW)
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...ns/topics/5899

==========================================

INDEX OF REFERENCES

Ignatius (110 AD)
Epistle to the Philadelphians

Justin Martyr (c. 150 AD)
First Apology

Irenaeus – (2nd century)
Against Heresies

Diatessoran (Tatian, c.175 AD)

Didache (c. 2nd century)

Apostolic Teachings (2nd Century) (x references)

The Ecclesiastical Canons of the Same Holy Apostles

Tertullian – (c. 200 AD)
On Baptism.– Chapter XIII.
Against Praxeas
Prescription against Heretics

Hippolytus (c.200 AD)
Against the Heresy of One Noetus

Cyprian (c. 230 AD)
Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews
Epistle LXXII.1 To Jubaianus

The Seventh Council of Carthage Under Cyprian
Lucius of Castra Galbae
Munnulus of Girba
Euchratius of Thenae
Bishop Vincentius of Thibaris

Origen (c.250 AD)
Commentary on Romans
Origen de Principiis Book I

Gregory Thaumaturgus (c. 250 AD)
A Sectional Confession of Faith, XIII

Treatise Against Novatian by an Anonymous Bishop. (c.255)

Treatise on Rebaptism (c 250)

Victorinus (c.300AD)

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It is time to drop the myth that this is a non-attested verse.

==========================================

There was a bit of minor tweaking to the above in the next couple of posts.

Steven Avery

Ditto me on this post. I also think there is great danger in asserting that certain scriptures in the bible are false. You are opening a pandora's box where every Tom, Dick. or Harry can find theolgians who support their view that a scripture doesn't belong or is not translated correctly.

[Scott Pitta]

Honest people take different approaches to this topic.

I simply looked up all the early Greek manuscripts and read how they ended.

There are no Greek manuscripts that we now possess that has a variant ending for Mt. 28:19. Each and every one of them that has the last pericope include Mt. 28:19.

Every Greek manuscript of Matthew we have includes Mt, 28:19.

Look them up, google image them, and read them.

Easy stuff.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Texts full of Catholic interpolations do not count as evidence.

My brother and friend, could you show us clear evidence which proves Matthew 28:19 to be spurious?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My brother and friend, could you show us clear evidence which proves Matthew 28:19 to be spurious?

I am guessing "the Apostolic Bible"!

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My brother and friend, could you show us clear evidence which proves Matthew 28:19 to be spurious?

My brother and friend, could you show us clear evidence which proves Matthew 28:19 to be NOT spurious?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Honest people take different approaches to this topic.

I simply looked up all the early Greek manuscripts and read how they ended.

There are no Greek manuscripts that we now possess that has a variant ending for Mt. 28:19. Each and every one of them that has the last pericope include Mt. 28:19.

Every Greek manuscript of Matthew we have includes Mt, 28:19.

Look them up, google image them, and read them.

Easy stuff.

Because the Original Matthew was in Hebrew not in Greek, the corruption probably begun in the Greek translation.