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Old 03-16-2019, 10:21 PM
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And, what this shows is that the Presence of the Lord, the Authority of the Lord, and the Teaching/Doctrine of the Lord, are centered around being immersed into the ONE NAME of the Father AND of the son AND of the holy Spirit. Jesus' name baptism (immersion into the truth of ONENESS) is at the very CORE, the very HEART of the doctrine, authority, and presence of the Lord.
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And, what this shows is that the Presence of the Lord, the Authority of the Lord, and the Teaching/Doctrine of the Lord, are centered around being immersed into the ONE NAME of the Father AND of the son AND of the holy Spirit. Jesus' name baptism (immersion into the truth of ONENESS) is at the very CORE, the very HEART of the doctrine, authority, and presence of the Lord.
God, and Messiah, and the empowering and indwelling Spirit, are ONE, revealed by ONE NAME, the only name given among men whereby we must be saved. Immersion into that TRUTH, that JESUS CHRIST IS THE FATHER, AND THE SON, AND THE HOLY GHOST, is at the center of Doctrine, Authority, and Divine Presence. The TEACHING of God, the AUTHORITY of God, the PRESENCE of God, all revolve around that key, central reality.

And it isn't just "become Jesus' disciple". It is IMMERSION, baptism, a DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION, the death of the old man and resurrection of the new man, into the reality of God, the Son, and the Spirit as ONE PERSON - JESUS, that is required.
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God, and Messiah, and the empowering and indwelling Spirit, are ONE, revealed by ONE NAME, the only name given among men whereby we must be saved. Immersion into that TRUTH, that JESUS CHRIST IS THE FATHER, AND THE SON, AND THE HOLY GHOST, is at the center of Doctrine, Authority, and Divine Presence. The TEACHING of God, the AUTHORITY of God, the PRESENCE of God, all revolve around that key, central reality.

And it isn't just "become Jesus' disciple". It is IMMERSION, baptism, a DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION, the death of the old man and resurrection of the new man, into the reality of God, the Son, and the Spirit as ONE PERSON - JESUS, that is required.
Amen, the original wording of Matthew 28:19 is One God as One God can be.

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Amen, the original wording of Matthew 28:19 is One God as One God can be.

Amen! The verse, just like 1 John 5:7, is a powerful proof of the Oneness of God and Christ. No reason to try to fight the words of Jesus Christ (1 Tim 6:3-5 comes to mind here).
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Amen! The verse, just like 1 John 5:7, is a powerful proof of the Oneness of God and Christ. No reason to try to fight the words of Jesus Christ (1 Tim 6:3-5 comes to mind here).
Amen, the whole issue is dissection, to all out butchering. Taking away, is just as bad as adding. While individuals believe they are helping the doctrine by removing or adding. They cause greater issues which logically they must face the outcomes. If Mathew 28:19 or 1 John 5:7 are spurious verses what about the others? Had an individual making a stink over 1 John 5:7 at a Bible study. I had my old friend Rabbi Finkelstein there at the time. While the discussion was going full steam. The old rabbi said, "well if you guys have one or two verses which are questionable? What about the whole entire collection of books within the New Testament?" To which I said, "NO WAY!" Time, proves all things. Over 2,000 years has marched on. This book has been challenged by every generation. The Bible's worst enemy is those who claim to believe in it. Scribes have been tampering with it since day one. Yet, the Lord Jesus Christ has preserved His word. We believe in the Apostolic faith which doesn't need us to pull a Jehovah Witness Thomas Jefferson cut and paste. Sadly, FZs of the world will eventually be thrown on the pile of history's cobwebbed heap. What we have is a Bible that was preserved in Greek, Latin, Hebrew, and Aramaic. A New Testament which was preserved in its original form of the language of their time, Greek. Events were recorded, Aramaic words were translated for us when a speaker spoke in Aramaic. Jesus quoting Psalm 22:1 Eli Eli lama sabachthani a Greek definition is given to the readers of the known world, as Θεέ μου θεέ μου, ἵνα τίμε ἐγκατέλιπες. We are shown the words of Christ, the world of Christ. Why attempt to butcher it to make it all so Hebrew, but loosing its meanings. We end up with a false idea of the actual world Jesus the Christ lived in, complete with a hellenized diaspora, a Roman world, and Aramaic/Greek/Latin speaking peoples.
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the Presence of the Lord, the Authority of the Lord, and the Teaching/Doctrine of the Lord, are centered around being immersed into the ONE NAME of the Father AND of the son AND of the holy Spirit. Jesus' name baptism (immersion into the truth of ONENESS) is at the very CORE, the very HEART of the doctrine, authority, and presence of the Lord.
This part of your statement is excellent, and I heartily approve.
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Re: Anybody hear of the CHIASTIC structure of writ

I read about it before. I think it is a very ancient way of narrative. The Hebrews used them before the Greeks named it. But I think it is older even than when the the Book of Genesis was written by Moises.
Take into account that the Greeks were good at observing things and formalizing them and then trying to improve it. So, many of those Greek contributions are based on observation of things that were already old practices or just human nature.

That being said, knowing it is still a useful tool to be able to understand narrative in the Bible.

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