Doctrines held "In Common"

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why was Paul addressing foods? In Acts 16 they dealt with food issues because of the Jewish believers. Jewish believers kept the law and all the Holy Days.

That appears to be what Paul is addressing

Rom 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

1. Food. Paul was addressing vegetarianism. " One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables." Nothing there about food laws of the bible.

2. Days. Since Paul was addressing vegetarianism, the subject matter of his discourse is therefore not Judaism or Old Testament practices, but something else. The 'days' discussion should therefore be kept in that context.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

The one I would add that you do not have on your list is the first one mentioned which is the doctrine of Christ that I think can be summed up as forgiveness for all. Many people do not believe in forgiveness for all without their first being repentance on everyones part, but then I would have to point out to them that when Christ was dying on the cross he asked his Father to forgive those who crucified him. I think it is safe to say that at least a significant number of those responsible for his crucifixion did not repent of their action for a significant amount of time afterwards.

For the same reason that Jesus forgave those who crucified Him, Jesus tells us that if we do not forgive others as we have been forgiven, we can expect to be judged by God for things we have done (my paraphrase).

So in the first paragraphed above you imply universalism, the idea that all humans have been or will be forgiven (correct?), but in the second paragraph you misquote Jesus. He said if we do not forgive those who trespass against us, God will not FORGIVE us our tresspasses. He did not say 'we can expect to be judged for the things we have done' which leaves the nature of that judgement up in the air. The judgement we can expect is to not have our tresspasses forgiven.

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So in the first paragraphed above you imply universalism, the idea that all humans have been or will be forgiven (correct?), but in the second paragraph you misquote Jesus. He said if we do not forgive those who trespass against us, God will not FORGIVE us our tresspasses. He did not say 'we can expect to be judged for the things we have done' which leaves the nature of that judgement up in the air. The judgement we can expect is to not have our tresspasses forgiven.

1. To cut to the chase you have omitted the all-important words that shine a light on why Jesus asked his father to forgive those who crucified him with the all-important words “they know not what they do”. It is quite obvious they knew what they were doing and they knew who they were crucifying being as there are ample Scriptures that proved the Jews knew that Jesus had come from God. What they did not know was why they were doing what they were doing, and under whose dominion and wishes they were only puppets for.(Another reason for you to start to reconsider your concept of what the doctrine of original sin means)

2. You seem to be a letter of the word expert witness but miss out on the all-important spirit of the word. Does not a lack of forgiveness imply judgment, and do not the Scriptures teach of judgment after death? Does not Jesus teach that upon death one will be judged for better or for worse depending upon those things they have done or thought to do?

[sbo1971]

Originally Posted by Esaias

1. Food. Paul was addressing vegetarianism. " One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables." Nothing there about food laws of the bible.

2. Days. Since Paul was addressing vegetarianism, the subject matter of his discourse is therefore not Judaism or Old Testament practices, but something else. The 'days' discussion should therefore be kept in that context.

Was he addressing vegetarianism or was he addressing those who did not feel that they were still bound to the law of Moses and the diet that was followed at that time?