Even when Jesus said "I and my father are one." John 10:30 makes me believe there was only one. He also told the disciples when you see me you see the father. Who was the father.?
Even when Jesus said "I and my father are one." John 10:30 makes me believe there was only one. He also told the disciples when you see me you see the father. Who was the father.?
Jesus certainly did say when you've seen me you've seen the Father, no doubt. But when oneness pentecostals quote that verse, they never quote the important verses following His statement. Here it is in context......
Joh 14:9 Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. 12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
Let me ask you, do you believe that Jesus was in His Father and His Father was in Him?
Jesus certainly did say when you've seen me you've seen the Father, no doubt. But when oneness pentecostals quote that verse, they never quote the important verses following His statement. Here it is in context......
Joh 14:9 Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. 12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
Let me ask you, do you believe that Jesus was in His Father and His Father was in Him?
yes. I believe he was in the father and his father in him. But do you believe that Jesus is the fleshly form of GOD?
This is the challenge: " I offer a $10,000.00 reward for any verse in the KJV Bible where Jesus Christ claimed to be “God,” “God the Son,” or “deity.”
So far, not a single solitary reference has been given were *JESUS* (notice the challenge folks) claimed to be "God", "God the Son" or "deity". That's because *JESUS* never claimed to be "God", "God the Son" or "deity".
I was at a day long seminar where brother hemphill gave his reasons for his view and there were two UPC pastors and a UPC assistant pastor there who were in agreement with him.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:7
Spoken by Jesus. That whole, "I will be his God" line seems pretty straightforward to me.
This is the challenge: " I offer a $10,000.00 reward for any verse in the KJV Bible where Jesus Christ claimed to be “God,” “God the Son,” or “deity.”
So far, not a single solitary reference has been given were *JESUS* (notice the challenge folks) claimed to be "God", "God the Son" or "deity". That's because *JESUS* never claimed to be "God", "God the Son" or "deity".
I was at a day long seminar where brother hemphill gave his reasons for his view and there were two UPC pastors and a UPC assistant pastor there who were in agreement with him.
The article was posted as a topic just as anyone who post a "new topic" I thought it would be a interesting challenge to those who would step up but so far it has only been giving "drive by" shots.I did not post the article to draw traffic.My blog is well established and had over 9,000 hits in two years BEFORE I even posted it so the non sense I posted it for traffic reasons is bogus as the attempts to refute the challenge..I do not need traffic..I have traffic every day. No one is twisting your arm to go to the site but for those who wish to be challenged the door is open..
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:7
Spoken by Jesus. That whole, "I will be his God" line seems pretty straightforward to me.
The very beginning of Revelation is ran over like a beer can on a highway
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
God gave what to who?
Who did Jesus give this too?
The Revelation John speaks about was given to Him by Jesus..Jesus gets it from his Father and God..
Oh you did not know Jesus has a God?
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
The very beginning of Revelation is ran over like a beer can on a highway
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
God gave what to who?
Who did Jesus give this too?
The Revelation John speaks about was given to Him by Jesus..Jesus gets it from his Father and God..
Oh you did not know Jesus has a God?
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Citing a different scripture doesn't change what Jesus said in Revelation 21:7. Please directly refute what Jesus said in 21:7, specifically, "I will be his God". This time, if you choose to reply, please don't use any deflections. Simply explain to me how Jesus saying, "I will be his God", doesn't directly satisfy the challenge.
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