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Old 10-12-2012, 08:19 AM
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Re: Ryan vs. Biden, October 11 9-10:30pm EST

A friend posted this on Facebook this morning: "If a wise man has and argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs and there is no quiet." Proverbs 29:9. Well, that pretty much sums up what I witnessed with this debate last night. I’m not calling “Smirking Joe" with his pompous and condescending attitude a fool, but in the light of Solomon’s wisdom, I will say that Joe showed himself to be a fool 80 times over during that debate as that’s at least how many times he rudely interrupted Congressman Ryan.
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He said he wanted to wait to make it a bi-partisan effort. Maybe he has no specifics yet
Obviously. They were asked a month ago and still no specifics. And after the Convention, Ryan tells George Stephanopolous that if they were to win the election, they would then take that up with Congress and the American people.

I guess with Romney's flip-flopping and his bi-partisanship progressive policies in MA, we are supposed to agree that we will accept being surprised about the details later.
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Re: Ryan vs. Biden, October 11 9-10:30pm EST

I read that Biden interupted over 82 times last night.
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Re: Ryan vs. Biden, October 11 9-10:30pm EST

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I read that Biden interupted over 82 times last night.
At least that many if not more! Then add that to all
the interruptions by the moderator.
I don't think Mr Ryan was able to complete one full minute
of discussion at any time.
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They talked a lot about the Romney/Ryan economic plan because Obama/Biden havent offered one. I'll take a president with a framework over someone who won't even submit what his plan will be.
Ryan basically said that in times of 'crisis' we have to abandon our principles in order to save them! Seriously? He said TARP was an injection of capital to prevent a crash. TARP was fabricated money, out of thin air with Americans on the hook for the created, valueless debt. That is not CAPITAL. That is fiat currency, it is usury, it is illicit and immoral. How does that square with Ryan being for free markets and traditional Christian values?
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Re: Ryan vs. Biden, October 11 9-10:30pm EST

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Ryan basically said that in times of 'crisis' we have to abandon our principles in order to save them! Seriously? He said TARP was an injection of capital to prevent a crash. TARP was fabricated money, out of thin air with Americans on the hook for the created, valueless debt. That is not CAPITAL. That is fiat currency, it is usury, it is illicit and immoral. How does that square with Ryan being for free markets and traditional Christian values?
Doesn't matter. The stock market was near rock-bottom as Obama went into office. Now it is up near pre-crash levels. Obama saved the economy. Re-elect Obama. At least that's how many will perceive it.
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Re: Ryan vs. Biden, October 11 9-10:30pm EST

What is very confusing to me is that there are so many apostolic's supporting Mr Romney even though he supports abortion in case of rape or incest.
He is also mormon, It was stated in the debate last night that your religion effects your views. Will Mr Romney's religion not effect his view on things and how he will run the country?
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Re: Ryan vs. Biden, October 11 9-10:30pm EST

no and your wrong about him btw women are outraged at the way biden acted last night ,just another nail in BO BO's coffin
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Doesn't matter. The stock market was near rock-bottom as Obama went into office. Now it is up near pre-crash levels. Obama saved the economy. Re-elect Obama. At least that's how many will perceive it.
You know what? It really does matter to me. I am more interested in substance over style.

Ryan has made the statement that in times of crises, solvent credit needs to back up private credit. It really is just another way of saying that sometimes the government has to use taxpayer money to protect private business.

It would depend on who you asked to find out if that is true or not. The point is clear though, the belief that at times the Fed must come to the rescue of private entities is shared by Obama, Romney and Ryan.

Ryan also voted for the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society, i.e. Medicare Part D. He said it was to make it more efficient. Is that true? It is true that on the prescription coverage, 94% more seniors are covered. However, it also added $9 trillion in "unfunded" liabilities to the program.

And while we are at it, let's talk about Romney's 12 million jobs claim. Moody’s Analytics forecast, from 2013 to 2016, will increase 12 million jobs and it really is not going to matter who is elected. If Romney does get elected, he will take credit for it, just like Obama will. But, the fact is, it is naturally going to happen anyway.

I also read an article by Mona Charen at Townhall. She states, "If Mitt Romney is elected and secures Republican control of both houses of Congress, the U.S. could be poised for a vertiginous economic snapback."

What if they don't secure both houses?

So, my point in all of this debating on choices - I don't see a huge difference between the two candidates. It looks like it won't matter at all, even with all the fear mongering. I'm not buying into it.
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What is very confusing to me is that there are so many apostolic's supporting Mr Romney even though he supports abortion in case of rape or incest.
He is also mormon, It was stated in the debate last night that your religion effects your views. Will Mr Romney's religion not effect his view on things and how he will run the country?
No offense, but I am pretty hardcore anti-abortion and I would have a hard time telling any woman that she should have to carry a baby to term that was conceived via rape. Yes, it can be done but for many that would be like constant mental and emotional torture.

And you fear his Mormonism? Are you afraid he might get radical and try to ban caffeine or pass an underwear law? Good grief. I'll take the Mormon over the MUslim anyday.
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