God Respects Your POV

[bbyrd009]

Ok, I was looking for the part that has,
in parenthesis, a couple times in one post,
"I'd like to rephrase that for a believer..."
but post #46 here might be better anyway
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=39472&page=5

[AreYouReady?]

In this thread, are we talking about physical or spiritual pov?

For some reason it seems simpler to understand the spiritual pov rather than the physical.

I always seem to be aware of the unseen spiritually, but not physically.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

In this thread, are we talking about physical or spiritual pov?

For some reason it seems simpler to understand the spiritual pov rather than the physical.

I always seem to be aware of the unseen spiritually, but not physically.

Well, we're talking spiritual now, but physical pov still has some interesting
reflections there, and actually ends up, despite many physicists' attempts to refocus, being a spiritual pov, anyway, at the subatomic level--and a purer one, imo, which is one reason I'm glad it came up. No opinion is possible in a physical pov, really, and I hope to convey that to the spiritual pov.

"I always seem to be aware of the unseen spiritually, but not physically."
Me, too. Physics, imo, is the evolution of the physical pov into the spiritual,
all that physics stuff is a witness for a sceptic, while being confirmation for a believer, and the two are now joined, although it will surely take another generation or so for this to catch up to the common mind.

You kind of highlighted this back a ways, after my
"I'd like to rephrase that for a believer" post,
which I can't find now.

[bbyrd009]

Strangely enough, another person's opinion
is plenty easy to get, and their premises
are quickly enough revealed (we call the diff
in the two "hypocrisy"); but their pov
is never so transparent--even when it is,
motives are invented until the person is
well-understood, say a spouse or longtime friend.

You get to another's pov only slowly.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

You get to another's pov only slowly.

Yeah...and that takes some work...something most people do not want to take the time to bother with.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Yeah...and that takes some work...something most people do not want to take the time to bother with.

Hmm, not sure it's even practical in a lot of cases?
If you think about it, you know few other people's povs
at any one time, can read but a few "like a book?"

Of course, some you can read right away,
those with a pov close to your's,
or a pov you once held-

You might also discern a pov,
from illuminated premises?

But we tend to group with those
who reveal similar opinions, and then
shun those who have further revealed
diff premises, having never accepted their pov.

Meaning I don't have to agree with your pov
to accept that that is your pov. We experience
the opposite quite a bit, from one side or the other;
my post agrees with your post, "validating" your pov,
or vice-versa--or disagrees, "invalidating" your pov,
perhaps.

I think this is a signal that what you have there
is an "opinion," not a pov. Now, if I'm married to my opinion,
and you invalidate it, say, I might harbor ill-will toward you,
revealing my premises, etc., when neither of us can really even
have a pov about, say, the Rapture.

And your "invalidation" was quite likely completely innocent;
or not--but hopefully the point is seen that you did not
invalidate me; I invalidate myself, and then prolly curse you for it, lol.

Or, possibly worse, you "validate" me (same mechanism),
so then I "validate" you in reciprocation, possibly even denying myself
to do so, and set up what ends up being a negative-feedback loop-
-which might start positively, but never seems to end that way,
and we have prolly all been there, too?

[RandyWayne]

Luke: Ben! Why didn't you tell me? You told me that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered my father.

Obi-Wan: Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and "became" Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Luke: Ben! Why didn't you tell me? You told me that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered my father.

Obi-Wan: Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and "became" Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.

Exaaactly.

[Timmy]

God may respect my POV. Or maybe He couldn't care less about it. Hard to tell the difference, though.

[bbyrd009]

So then, the typical move, anyway, is to start treating everyone, even your best friends, like a guest...or a group of guys might go "anti" there, start calling each other names in fun...