Why Baptize In Jesus Name - Page 3

AreYouReady? · #21 03-05-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Worshipping stone idols and false gods during the rest of the week.

uhhh...that is not exactly true. But then again, since (and I am assuming) you were never catholic, you don't know the mindset of the catholic. They don't worship the stone idol.

Jay · #22 03-05-2012, 07:48 PM

No they pray to the departed soul that the idol represents. They also treat those statues with great reverence as do the pagans who give offerings to them to honor their prayers. There is not difference between a Catholic, a Buddist, and a Hindu. They all worship those that will do them no good.

AreYouReady? · #23 03-05-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

No they pray to the departed soul that the idol represents. They also treat those statues with great reverence as do the pagans who give offerings to them to honor their prayers. There is not difference between a Catholic, a Buddist, and a Hindu. They all worship those that will do them no good.

LOL. You have much to learn. You are only giving the simple explanation.

Jay · #24 03-05-2012, 07:55 PM

Oh, there is a more complex answer for doing what the Lord said should not be done?

I have seen the veneration that Catholics give to Mary and the 'Saints'. The RCC is a pagan institution filled with idolatry. The only difference between them and the Pantheon of the Graeco-Roman Empire is that the names of the 'gods' were changed and they are now called 'saints'. It is still undiluted idolatry with barely in vestages of Christianity.

AreYouReady? · #25 03-05-2012, 08:01 PM

I am not disputing the veneration you are talking about.

I am talking about their mindset as to why they do what they do.
You just have to have been raised in that religion to know the thinking and mindset. It is a lot more than what you think.

Jay · #26 03-05-2012, 08:25 PM

Mind set is not the point. They believe that the counsels are at the same inspiration as Scripture, even if it blatantly contradicts the plain commands concerning idolatry. I have worked with Catholics for a number of years, and is plain old fashioned worship, even if they deny it.

Hoovie · #27 03-05-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

He is right that we don't have a quote of anyone saying "I baptize you in the name of the Father Son & Holy Spirit"... However there is no quote of what was said at all - ever. We can only hypothesize What was meant by "in Jesus name" and Matt 28:19, when it comes to the actual words to be spoken.

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Originally Posted by Ferd

That is utter nonsence Hoovie. Not only do we have scripture that clearly indicates how the early church baptizes, but we have the record of the catholic church!

Even the Catholic Church agrees that before at least 200AD EVERYONE bapitzed in the Name of Jesus. Even the trinitarians agree with that.

Nonsense? Really?

Maybe you should read my post again.

I am not saying they did not call on the name of Jesus at baptism - I believe they did, especially the one getting baptised. Yet, we are left without any specific formula when it comes to exact wording for the ceremony. Even OPs use variations to this very day.

AreYouReady? · #28 03-05-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Mind set is not the point. They believe that the counsels are at the same inspiration as Scripture, even if it blatantly contradicts the plain commands concerning idolatry. I have worked with Catholics for a number of years, and is plain old fashioned worship, even if they deny it.

Mindset is every bit of the point. You have worked with Catholics for years but you do not have the mindset of a catholic to understand them. You only try to understand what they say to you.

Catholics are hard people to be won over to the Savior in the way pentecostals know Him. Their concept of the Savior is different than the pentecostal concept. They are taught that Mary is "the mother of God". It reflects in their repetitious prayers to Mary. They will argue with you all the day long defending their religion. Anybody who leaves their church system is leaving God, in their mind.
It takes the Holy Spirit to put a hunger of God into their hearts to draw them to search beyond what they have been taught. Even then, they have a hard row to hoe because of their family and friends to draw them back or to ostracize them. It's called an anathema, something no catholic wants placed upon them. Yes, mindset is everything. If you want to win them, you must understand the mindset and even then...success stories are far and few between.

Jay · #29 03-05-2012, 10:26 PM

I can understand this actually. I had forgotten some of that though, and I thank you for the reminder. I have known many who had been Catholic before they were saved, and it was not easy for them to leave. Especially considering the pressure that could be brought to bear. However, I have also found that those who leave the RCC leave it utterly behind. I had a Catholic friend in college, and I still pray that God will open the doors to his heart and stir a hunger for more of God than he has ever known.

ThePastorsCoach · #30 03-05-2012, 10:41 PM

Even as a 4th Generation Classical Trinitarian Pentecostal that was taught Trinitarian Doctrine at home, Church and Bible College, I alway baptized "In the Name of Jesus Christ." I have never baptized anyone in any other way but "in the Name of Jesus Christ." It is scriptural New Testament Water Baptism. I do not baptize nor pray nor lay hands on the sick nor cast out devils "In Jesus Name." The Apostles used the Authority and Power of the Covenant Name of Jesus Christ in all they did and we should follow their example in enunciation and in Demonstration!