It's okay to kill newborns? REALLY???

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

For a culture who has gorged upon the tables of the Greek and Roman altars, we are now making ourselves over in their likeness. Homosexuality and infanticide were rampant in both cultures, and now that infection has spread to us.

Is it not for this very purpose that Israel was told to not leave an altar, temple or statue standing in the entire land? How then did we think to gorge ourselves upon the pagan styles of their artisans and beliefs and not be perverted?

Amen. What Austin said, too. You guys be sure and vote your conscience, k?

Originally Posted by Jay

There are times that I really begin to dislike this realm of existence. It was not too bad growing up as a teenager, but I am really beginning to love that song that says, "This world is not my home, I'm just a passing through, my treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue, the angels beckon me from Heaven's open door, and I just can't feel at home in this world any more."

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

This world is your final resting place, what you are to inherit, and this attitude is engendered by...Church Lady, little help? (I'll leave this for Randy to fill in, he's a whiz. Please comment at "BE IN THE WORLD")

[scotty]

Reading the full essay is even more disturbing. But it reveals the "pandoras box" that can be opened when we loosen our moral standards. Pro abortioners claim it is morally ok because the unborn is not yet a person. This essay actually holds the position that a fetus, as well as a stem cell should be classified as a human. Using that logic they then determine that if its ok to kill a fetus(abortion) then its ok to kill a baby because they are the same.

"Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’. We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her. This means that many non-human animals and mentally retarded human individuals are persons, but that all the individuals who are not in the condition of attributing any value to their own existence are not persons. Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal."

Note that any human that are not in the condition to contribute to the value of their own existence, are now considered "expendable" for the sake of society. So how do they propose to set the line at which this can occur ?

"If a potential person, like a fetus and a newborn, does not become an actual person, like you and us, then there is neither an actual nor a future person who can be harmed, which means that there is no harm at all. So, if you ask one of us if we would have been harmed, had our parents decided to kill us when we were fetuses or newborns, our answer is ‘no’, because they would have harmed someone who does not exist (the ‘us’ whom you are asking the question), which means no one. And if no one is harmed, then no harm occurred."

And for further disturbing conclusions.

"Actual people's well-being could be threatened by the new (even if healthy) child requiring energy, money and care which the family might happen to be in short supply of. Sometimes this situation can be prevented through an abortion, but in some other cases this is not possible. In these cases, since non-persons have no moral rights to life, there are no reasons for banning after-birth abortions."

And in conclusion, we see where our society's acceptance of abortion has led us.

"If criteria such as the costs (social, psychological, economic) for the potential parents are good enough reasons for having an abortion even when the fetus is healthy, if the moral status of the newborn is the same as that of the infant and if neither has any moral value by virtue of being a potential person, then the same reasons which justify abortion should also justify the killing of the potential person when it is at the stage of a newborn. "

As some have posted, this is only the beginning.

[Nitehawk013]

You know, I understand the "I wish God would come back and put an end to all this" sentiment, but really...isn't this all OUR FAULTS?

We don't march in the streets and demand an end to such atrocities. We don't use our pulpits to force change in society bc we fear losing our stupid tax exempt status. We don't spend thousands to support adoption groups (that money is too busy being used to buy cadillacs and build gymns). We don't bombard local politics with our own peole running for office to try to change things.

We sit by far too often just letting it all happen. Maybe we say a prayer at church on Sunday when the preacher mentions how sad abortion is. We may even "Amen" him when he says we ought to be a force that changes the world. What do we really do though?

I don't mean be a psycho group like the Westboro creeps. Shouldn't we do somethign though? They get a millionman march for blacks who felt they weren't being treated right. Heck, they peacfully protested for years and got results. Women have marched in solidarity to get their rights. even the muslims organize constantly and march to make their voices heard. 80%+ of this country says they are CHristian. Ok...then why dont we flood the streets and DC with marches and do somethign to actually try to stop this nonsense besides just sit and say "oh it's so sad".

We want God to come down and end it all, but is that because we can't be bothered to do it ourselves?

[Austin]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

You know, I understand the "I wish God would come back and put an end to all this" sentiment, but really...isn't this all OUR FAULTS?

We don't march in the streets and demand an end to such atrocities. We don't use our pulpits to force change in society bc we fear losing our stupid tax exempt status. We don't spend thousands to support adoption groups (that money is too busy being used to buy cadillacs and build gymns). We don't bombard local politics with our own peole running for office to try to change things.

We sit by far too often just letting it all happen. Maybe we say a prayer at church on Sunday when the preacher mentions how sad abortion is. We may even "Amen" him when he says we ought to be a force that changes the world. What do we really do though?

I don't mean be a psycho group like the Westboro creeps. Shouldn't we do somethign though? They get a millionman march for blacks who felt they weren't being treated right. Heck, they peacfully protested for years and got results. Women have marched in solidarity to get their rights. even the muslims organize constantly and march to make their voices heard. 80%+ of this country says they are CHristian. Ok...then why dont we flood the streets and DC with marches and do somethign to actually try to stop this nonsense besides just sit and say "oh it's so sad".

We want God to come down and end it all, but is that because we can't be bothered to do it ourselves?

preach it brother!!!!!!!~ It's called,[[[[ Bringing God down to the level of man that man can feel justified in his faults before God..
Make God into something that we have invented and called right. because we failed to try and become what he has called us to be.
No authority, no rule, no change, secular opinion and lifestyles, it's all part of a bunch of evil and lost people who shall faced damnation if they don't turn from their wicked ways. And if they think God isn't real, boy, are they in for a BIG surprise.

You got my fingers going so fast I couldn't even spell my words right.