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[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

Oh wow. Um, I disagree seascapes.

Yeah, I'd have to disagree, as well, brother. I believe there are living Apostles and there are living Prophets.

[Seascapes]

Well we all have our opinions. To be an Apostle or Prophet they will have to be like the Apostles and Prophets in the Bible, and I am sorry I just don't see or hear any living today that can fit that position.

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Well we all have our opinions. To be an Apostle or Prophet they will have to be like the Apostles and Prophets in the Bible, and I am sorry I just don't see or hear any living today that can fit that position.

Because you have not personally met them does not mean they do not exist.

[pastor RICK]

they are here and alive and well ,,, i knwo apostles ,prohpets evang. pastors and teachers. many have minused out the apostle ..
but i do know a few that are really apostles and doing that work.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sam

The way I understand it, bishop/overseer/episkopos and elder/presbyter are basically the same per 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9. Bishop or overseer speaks of the authority and elder speaks of age and wisdom accumulated.

In Acts 20:17-38 Paul called for a meeting with the elders/presbyters (verse 17) and called them bishops/overseers (verse 28) and told them to shepherd/pastor/feed the congregation (verse 28).

Thats the way I see it it too Sam.

[Michael The Disciple]

Its not good to minimize an Apostle by saying they are a Church planter. They are more than that. They are representatives of Jesus Christ. Yes they will establish Churches. They will teach true doctrine and will mark anyone who teaches differently as did the founding Apostles.

They will do mighty signs and wonders by the power of the Spirit. I dont know anyone doing that today but they may be out there somewhere. I know that they will exist in the end time in "Mystery Babylon".

At the destruction of Babylon we read this:

18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. Rev. 18:20

So we know for sure in the last days Apostles will be ministering in Babylon. I could not say with surety they exist right now but am praying for the Father to raise them up.

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Its not good to minimize an Apostle by saying they are a Church planter. They are more than that. They are representatives of Jesus Christ. Yes they will establish Churches. They will teach true doctrine and will mark anyone who teaches differently as did the founding Apostles.

They will do mighty signs and wonders by the power of the Spirit. I dont know anyone doing that today but they may be out there somewhere. I know that they will exist in the end time in "Mystery Babylon".

At the destruction of Babylon we read this:

18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. Rev. 18:20

So we know for sure in the last days Apostles will be ministering in Babylon. I could not say with surety they exist right now but am praying for the Father to raise them up.

The exist. I'm sure.

[kingdomapostle]

Oh, and I also agree with what was stated about Apostles not JUST being church planters...etc.

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Well we all have our opinions. To be an Apostle or Prophet they will have to be like the Apostles and Prophets in the Bible, and I am sorry I just don't see or hear any living today that can fit that position.

Not to belabor the point (I love using fancy words) but, if that were true, the other also would have to be true. If present day A and P must be like those of Bible days, wouldn't P, E and T be held to the same level of qualification?

[kingdomapostle]

Right