Speaking In Tongues

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

It does not matter. In affirming homosexuality they place themselves outside the body of Christ - which is the ultimate real deal. Same is true for those who might affirm adultery or murder. They don't need tongues, they need Jesus and repentance.

There are non Christian religions that speak in tongues... I am sure they think they are getting the real deal too...

I doubt non-christian religions "speaking in tongues" believe they are getting the baptism of the Holy Ghost while trusting in Jesus (or so they believe)

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I doubt non-christian religions "speaking in tongues" believe they are getting the baptism of the Holy Ghost while trusting in Jesus (or so they believe)

Some do I think, albeit a "Jesus" they have made to conform to their own design. Consider the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and the cases of speaking in tongues among them for example.

[berkeley]

Ugh, Prax. I remember seeing pictures of gays receiving.... something.... in the gay oneness church in AZ. Pics look like our church services. They're hands are raised. They're weeping. They're speaking in tongues.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Some do I think, albeit a "Jesus" they have made to conform to their own design. Consider the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and the cases of speaking in tongues among them for example.

What case of speaking in tongues among them? All I know is it was claimed that in their history there was speaking in tongues. No independent verification for that

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Ugh, Prax. I remember seeing pictures of gays receiving.... something.... in the gay oneness church in AZ. Pics look like our church services. They're hands are raised. They're weeping. They're speaking in tongues.

Well either they are getting it, faking it or getting a delusion.

If they are getting it, the implications are tremendous

If they are faking it, the implications are , so could we or anyone else


If they are getting a delusion or a false spirit then how do we know who is really getting the real deal?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What case of speaking in tongues among them? All I know is it was claimed that in their history there was speaking in tongues. No independent verification for that

I don't know about independent verification, just know they have made these claims.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well either they are getting it, faking it or getting a delusion.

If they are getting it, the implications are tremendous

If they are faking it, the implications are , so could we or anyone else


If they are getting a delusion or a false spirit then how do we know who is really getting the real deal?

Getting it faking it or delusion. Yes. That is why it ultimately comes down to adherence to the scriptures in addition to experiential claims whatever they may be.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well either they are getting it, faking it or getting a delusion.

If they are getting it, the implications are tremendous

If they are faking it, the implications are , so could we or anyone else


If they are getting a delusion or a false spirit then how do we know who is really getting the real deal?

IS THAT A REAL QUESTION? They're unrepentant of their homosexuality. Then there's that Chandler guy that used to post. He was a tongue talker in a gay denomination. Then he apparently prophesied that the denomination would disband. Then he left homosexuality. Then he went to the AoG. Then he disappeared from forum life. Do you remember him? Since you brought up the topic of reprobates. I just got in from a bday party. The party was at a church that is across the street from a gay club/bar. The club is a really small building. Place was packed out. Cars all along the street. Strange. That place never has so much as a full parking lot. I almost felt sorry for them. And I began to think, have they heard the gospel? Did they hear the good news and reject it? How many are wanting a way out but bought into the lie that they were born that way? How many don't know that JESUS can deliver them? Were they predestined to reprobation? It was a sobering drive home to say the least.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

It does not matter. In affirming homosexuality they place themselves outside the body of Christ - which is the ultimate real deal. Same is true for those who might affirm adultery or murder. They don't need tongues, they need Jesus and repentance.

There are non Christian religions that speak in tongues... I am sure they think they are getting the real deal too...

Any examples other than LDS???

[Austin]

Homosexuality is a condition of ones present state of being which is in direct contradiction to Gods word and covenant and spiritual principles pertaining to the natural law of God established between a man and a woman. It is described as an abomination which is more than just a sin. You can't judge someones personal experience whether they are true or false by outward signs. Only God knows the heart.
There are many spiritual religions in the world outside of Christianity[ if I can still use that word] that speak in other tongues in their religion, they also lay hands on the sick and demon possessed and in their minds that is truth to them.
I attended a church once where the pastor's son would preach one of the best sermons every Sunday night that you could possible hear. He would worship in tongues, lay hands on the sick, baptise in Jesus name only. We thought he was Godly in every respect. It turned out that he was having a homosexual affair with the minister of music for years. Both of them were married and had the most beautiful children and wives one could wish for.
I personally have seen preachers preaching on Sunday speaking in tongues in full gospel organization and then on Monday run off with one of the members wives.
Tongues and appearances are not the way to have confidence in whether someone knows the Lord or not much less whether they have the Holy Ghost. Satan has mocked the truth with all different kinds of counterfeit manifestations to deceive many..
All I can say from life experience its self is this. In the full gospel movements there is more confusion and division than I have ever seen in any other christian identity. The people whom I have know that I have great confidence that they are real have been those people that had a spirit of love and meekness toward all things. They were the kind of people that you wanted to spend all day with.