Mubarak has been an ally where we needed him to be. there is no hypocrisy in that.
I know its rare, but I gotta go with jermyn on this one.
Why would we support interest at the cost of the peoples will ? This is another country, not ours. I'm all for supporting our interest but when that support is used to make a people suffer then what does that make us ?
Here is the thing, if the people of Egypt put 2 and 2 together to come to the conclusion that it was America that supported this mans dictatorship that kept them in poverty then we have created a nation of anti americans.
Sticking your finger in the hole of the ........ while continuing to pour water in the other side.
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I know its rare, but I gotta go with jermyn on this one.
Why would we support interest at the cost of the peoples will ? This is another country, not ours. I'm all for supporting our interest but when that support is used to make a people suffer then what does that make us ?
Here is the thing, if the people of Egypt put 2 and 2 together to come to the conclusion that it was America that supported this mans dictatorship that kept them in poverty then we have created a nation of anti americans.
Sticking your finger in the hole of the ........ while continuing to pour water in the other side.
It's going to snow in Key West tonight!
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I know its rare, but I gotta go with jermyn on this one.
Why would we support interest at the cost of the peoples will ? This is another country, not ours. I'm all for supporting our interest but when that support is used to make a people suffer then what does that make us ?
Here is the thing, if the people of Egypt put 2 and 2 together to come to the conclusion that it was America that supported this mans dictatorship that kept them in poverty then we have created a nation of anti americans.
Sticking your finger in the hole of the ........ while continuing to pour water in the other side.
Scotty, first my answer was one that looks at this historically. We supported any number of dictators around the world and we did so because the alternative was to allow the Soviet Union to advance their form of communism close to home.
understanding the alternatives are vital. Saying "we don’t support dictators" is myopic. It does not look at the entire picture.
Now if we want to talk about Egypt today, lets and ask the question that is entirely different.
That doesn’t mean I think it is hypocritical to support Mubarak. It might be a good thing to support him and it might be a bad thing to support him. It depends on the facts on the ground in Egypt NOT on whether or not Mubarak is a dictator.
First, what replaces him? Will it be a secular democratic government that respects human rights and opposes terrorism?
Or will it be a Sharia Theocracy like Iran? (Don’t forget that Iran is a huge supporter of what is going on their right now).
Will the new government maintain peace with Israel or will this mean war?
Looking this thing and saying “this is what they want” is short sighted and will get Americans killed. I am an American. I don’t want Americans dead.
MY interests are the ones that matter to me. Hypocrisy is not part of the equation.
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Scotty, first my answer was one that looks at this historically. We supported any number of dictators around the world and we did so because the alternative was to allow the Soviet Union to advance their form of communism close to home.
understanding the alternatives are vital. Saying "we don’t support dictators" is myopic. It does not look at the entire picture.
Now if we want to talk about Egypt today, lets and ask the question that is entirely different.
That doesn’t mean I think it is hypocritical to support Mubarak. It might be a good thing to support him and it might be a bad thing to support him. It depends on the facts on the ground in Egypt NOT on whether or not Mubarak is a dictator.
First, what replaces him? Will it be a secular democratic government that respects human rights and opposes terrorism?
Or will it be a Sharia Theocracy like Iran? (Don’t forget that Iran is a huge supporter of what is going on their right now).
Will the new government maintain peace with Israel or will this mean war?
Looking this thing and saying “this is what they want” is short sighted and will get Americans killed. I am an American. I don’t want Americans dead.
MY interests are the ones that matter to me. Hypocrisy is not part of the equation.
The world is bigger than you.
There is a way to do things right. Propping up and maintaining puppet governments around the world is not the right way to do anything.
People have a basic right to choose.
If the Egyptians make the wrong choices and it leads to war, then so be it. Yet, to stifle their ability to choose is not an American or Christian way of conducting business.
It is good that we did not interfere with Iran too much.
It is good that have not interfered with Egypt too much.
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Scotty, first my answer was one that looks at this historically. We supported any number of dictators around the world and we did so because the alternative was to allow the Soviet Union to advance their form of communism close to home.
understanding the alternatives are vital. Saying "we don’t support dictators" is myopic. It does not look at the entire picture.
Now if we want to talk about Egypt today, lets and ask the question that is entirely different.
That doesn’t mean I think it is hypocritical to support Mubarak. It might be a good thing to support him and it might be a bad thing to support him. It depends on the facts on the ground in Egypt NOT on whether or not Mubarak is a dictator.
First, what replaces him? Will it be a secular democratic government that respects human rights and opposes terrorism?
Or will it be a Sharia Theocracy like Iran? (Don’t forget that Iran is a huge supporter of what is going on their right now).
Will the new government maintain peace with Israel or will this mean war?
Looking this thing and saying “this is what they want” is short sighted and will get Americans killed. I am an American. I don’t want Americans dead.
MY interests are the ones that matter to me. Hypocrisy is not part of the equation.
This is pretty much the view at the Jerusalem Post.
There is a way to do things right. Propping up and maintaining puppet governments around the world is not the right way to do anything.
People have a basic right to choose.
If the Egyptians make the wrong choices and it leads to war, then so be it. Yet, to stifle their ability to choose is not an American or Christian way of conducting business.
It is good that we did not interfere with Iran too much.It is good that have not interfered with Egypt too much.
Jermyn, are you still going to be saying that about Iran the day after a nuclear bomb goes off in Washington DC that came from Iran?
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When the people of Iran demonstrated in the streets against Ahmadinajhad, a man who is the biggest threat in the Middle East, BO was silent. He had an opportunity to throw his support behind a peaceful revolution that couldve overturned the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. Silent. Not a word of support. The revolution died along with thousands imprisoned or executed.
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You're correct about the Iranian protests but maybe BO learned something? I dunno, I'm just trying to be generous with that one. He definitely blew it by remaining silent over the Iranian protests. Another one is Burma.
President Bush spoke out and encouraged the Burmese people when they protested widely for freedom at about the time Bush's term was coming to a close (2007-2008). When President Obama took office he sat on his hands while the monks who led the protests were slaughtered and their bodies dumped in the Irrawaddy River.
Fact of the matter is, America was never beholden to support Mubarak. We did make a deal with his predecessor to buy Egypt off to gain peace in the Middle East. The "American Taxpayer" should have been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for that!
But just what dictator rules Egypt is really up to the Egyptians, in all fairness. They've never had a democracy - going back to Pharaonic times. The U.S. has been unfairly criticized by the world's press here, too. Many of the leaders and organizers of these protests were in fact trained either at the expense of the U.S. State Department - or the more radical ones, trained by Soros funded groups and their ilk Code Pink and and the American communists at International A.N.S.W.E.R.
In many ways, "We" started this whole thing and have encouraged it all along. There's a lot that we don't know and the situation is chaotic with many others involved as well; but in many ways this is shaping up to be another American "Regime Change." It's just far more subtle and involves parties that are notoriously Anti-American - even "Anti-American" Americans.
Even if Mubarak did NOTHING WRONG and was not a dictator, shouldn't the honor of the will and wishes of the people of Egypt be more honorable than forcing and keeping in place a puppet government?
The people want him gone.
How does anyone say we keep him there?
Let's just send in some troops to help keep the peace. After all, it wouldn't inflame the Egyptian people to send American troops into their country to help keep our man in power.
What do the critics of President Obama's handling of Egypt's crisis want our President to do?
The Egyptian people are not protesting for America's help!
They are protesting for their American government supported dictator to be gone!!
What do you want America's President to do?
Not to send mixed signals. He could've come out in support of Mubarak rather than five or six different messages from the administration.
We'll see if the "will of the people" in Egypt will be in our best interests. It would've been advantagous of us to interfere with Germany's elections when Hitler came to power. Think of the millions that perished because everyone allowed the will of the German people to place Hitler into power.
In addition we have sent a very grave signal to our allies in the Mid East: Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Kuwait, etc. We have shown that we are not a trustworthy ally. At the first hint of trouble we threw Mubarak under the bus. I am very doubtful that these nations will become Western democracies (Israel being the exception) should we support the people in the streets protesting and calling for their leaders to step down. They are religiously driven, ideologically possessed to conquer the world for Allah. I would much rather deal with the devil I know than with the devil I don't know.
Also, our President celebrates the crowds in protest in Cairo, but when Tea Party folks protest or Glenn Beck draws hundreds of thousands to Washington or when people cry out at town hall meetings, those folks are ridiculed, dismissed or characterized as fringe, right wing wacko groups. Its a bit hypocritical.
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Does any one else see serious hypocrisy in America supporting a dictator?
Where is the accountability of the $30B we send him annually?
How has he helped his third world country?
The hypocrisy I see is silence when Iranians want to throw out a dangerous unstable dictator who is our sworn enemy and is threatening Israel and the world nuclear weapons and lack of support for a dictator who has maintained peace and has cooperated with us in the two Gulf Wars. The HEIGHT of hypocrisy!
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