Is Proverbs referring to evangelism or winning people to God or Jesus though?
I thought the question was about what does "soul winner" mean. Did the topic change?
A soul winner is someone that "catches men" or "captures men" like a fisher captures fish.
The phrase "wins souls" is used in Proverbs and it can also mean "captures souls". Jesus in Luke was speaking spiritually, of catching men or leading them to Christ.
That answers to whether it's in the bible, which is really irrelevant. The term is used by Christians to refer to being a harvester in God's kingdom. Im not sure why we are haggling over semantics
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I thought the question was about what does "soul winner" mean. Did the topic change?
A soul winner is someone that "catches men" or "captures men" like a fisher captures fish.
The phrase "wins souls" is used in Proverbs and it can also mean "captures souls". Jesus in Luke was speaking spiritually, of catching men or leading them to Christ.
That answers to whether it's in the bible, which is really irrelevant. The term is used by Christians to refer to being a harvester in God's kingdom. Im not sure why we are haggling over semantics
No one seems to care what this stuff really means. Let's just preach good sermons, kick over a pew, and pretend we got something done.
Never mind me, I'm just sick and cranky. How two little words can mean something so vastly different to us.
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No one seems to care what this stuff really means. Let's just preach good sermons, kick over a pew, and pretend we got something done.
I have used just about all of these scriptures...and as far as I can tell they mean exactly what they say....
Any time you preach context must be applied....but these scriptures used in context mean what they say.
Prov 1:26 is a little different though....I will laugh at your calamity.....I have heard men preach that God will do that at the last day....a bit of a stretch there...
I have used just about all of these scriptures...and as far as I can tell they mean exactly what they say....
Any time you preach context must be applied....but these scriptures used in context mean what they say.
Prov 1:26 is a little different though....I will laugh at your calamity.....I have heard men preach that God will do that at the last day....a bit of a stretch there...
So what is your usage of these verses? With context considered here's what I see:
"Where two or three are gathered."The settling of conflicts and has nothing to do with a number of people needed in order to have God's involvement or presence. We have God's involvement and/or His presence if we're completely alone.
"I can do all things through Christ."Paul was speaking of his ability to deal with having much or little, being rich or poor, and had nothing to do with, "I can jog 20 miles because I can do all things......".
"The thief is come to steal, kill, and destroy."Not speaking of the devil but rather, speaking of hireling ministers who didn't have the best interest of the people at heart. Jesus was speaking to religion, not the devil.
"I will laugh at your calamity." This is not the voice of God, it's the voice of wisdom. When we practice life in an unwise way and suffer the collateral damage of such, wisdom will laugh at our calamity.
"Forgetting those things which are behind." This is always applied to past failures, and certainly those things need to be put in the past. But Paul said this directly after speaking of all his accomplishments, not his failures.
I thought the question was about what does "soul winner" mean. Did the topic change?
A soul winner is someone that "catches men" or "captures men" like a fisher captures fish.
The phrase "wins souls" is used in Proverbs and it can also mean "captures souls". Jesus in Luke was speaking spiritually, of catching men or leading them to Christ.
That answers to whether it's in the bible, which is really irrelevant. The term is used by Christians to refer to being a harvester in God's kingdom. Im not sure why we are haggling over semantics
As far as I can tell this is all the same topic. What does "soul winning" meaning. Then Proverbs is the proof-text. So now we have two questions, as part of a rational flow in a conversation: what is "soul winning" (still left undefined), and what about Proverbs has anything to do with "soul winning?" You do understand the phrase "winning souls" in Proverbs has nothing to do with fish, fishing, evangelism, etc?
Leading to Christ, yes. But "winning souls" brings a new connotation to evangelism and mission that isn't part of the Gospel intention. The Spirit "wins" people (that word brings a competitiveness that is a little trite). We are heralds, proclaiming, discipling, etc... But the Spirit does the real work in evangelism, not us.
Living a Gospel-centered life, we don't have to form "evangelism teams" or have an "outreach director." We are living our lives fully in the mission of God. We are sharing with others. Being sensitive to what the Spirit is already doing. No need to grab a bull horn and tear down people's doors to invite them to "church."
Anyway... the subject is the biblical language of "soul winning." Thus far, you have more of a case to call it "fishing" since Proverbs has nothing to do with evangelism.
In the case of fishing, it's quite clear the language is figurative, and has much to do with the uncertainty of the disciples to leave behind their lives work of fishing.
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