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Old 02-03-2010, 05:09 PM
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Re: Is the Bible clear?

The title of this thread makes me think of a certain skit.

"Oh yes, quite clear! I am not to let him leave the room, even if you come and get him..."
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:27 PM
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Re: Is the Bible clear?

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Old 02-03-2010, 05:28 PM
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The title of this thread makes me think of a certain skit.

"Oh yes, quite clear! I am not to let him leave the room, even if you come and get him..."
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:31 PM
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So the bible is sooo clear that we just either don't, can't, or never will have a full understanding of it...

EDIT: I'm not saying I don't agree with most of what you said. I'm just saying those things you listed about our understanding and always growing in truth and never having the full truth imply to me that the bible isn't clear enough to understand.
I am referring to John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

The Holy Ghost does this by many methods, but never not aligning with the Word of God.

"Guiding into" is a progression, so we will continue to grow and learn. If we stop and say I know it all, I understand it all, I have all truth, that is error, IMO.

The moment we respond and obey the Gospel, we then begin the journey of being conformed into His image. That is a process called, perfection/maturing.

The Bible becomes more clear as we progress in our relationship with Christ. The part that is unclear is only our misunderstanding. That would not be attributed to God's part. He knows exactly what He is doing, from beginning to end.

So, in other words, it would be erroneous to say that the Bible is unclear. That would mean that God did not know what He was about. We know that is not true.

If anything is unclear, it is our minds that cannot see. That does not make His Word unclear, it only makes our knowledge unclear. Two different things here, IMO.
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:38 PM
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I am referring to John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

The Holy Ghost does this by many methods, but never not aligning with the Word of God.

"Guiding into" is a progression, so we will continue to grow and learn. If we stop and say I know it all, I understand it all, I have all truth, that is error, IMO.

The moment we respond and obey the Gospel, we then begin the journey of being conformed into His image. That is a process called, perfection/maturing.

The Bible becomes more clear as we progress in our relationship with Christ. The part that is unclear is only our misunderstanding. That would not be attributed to God's part. He knows exactly what He is doing, from beginning to end.

So, in other words, it would be erroneous to say that the Bible is unclear. That would mean that God did not know what He was about. We know that is not true.

If anything is unclear, it is our minds that cannot see. That does not make His Word unclear, it only makes our knowledge unclear. Two different things here, IMO.
In other words the bible is clear to God, but not clear to men.

By the way, why would it be wrong to call the bible unclear? Maybe God made it unclear to make the wise foolish and the foolish wise... Couldn't this be true?
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Is it clear which things are important?
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In other words the bible is clear to God, but not clear to men.

By the way, why would it be wrong to call the bible unclear? Maybe God made it unclear to make the wise foolish and the foolish wise... Couldn't this be true?
Yes, the Bible is clear to God, but not always to man. So, therefore, I cannot ever say the Bible is unclear. That would not be a true statement.

You would be correct that God can make things unclear because the Word says, 2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

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Romans 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,..."

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Romans 11:7-9 "What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day. "

It would still be in error to ever say anything in the Bible is unclear. It is only unclear to man. I could never support the premise that the Bible is unclear at any level.
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As usual, I wasn't specific enough in my question!
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As usual, I wasn't specific enough in my question!
I was under the impression, as I always am, that you form your questions in a specific manner in order to catch the answerer. LOL! But, you didn't catch me this time. I was ahead of you. Let God be true and every man a liar. God is never wrong, therefore, nothing is unclear to him.
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As usual, I wasn't specific enough in my question!
haha... well at least we know what caused all the yes's then.
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