Would You Shoplift to Feed Your Children? - Page 3

ForeverBlessed · #21 12-23-2009, 03:24 PM

I've been in some destitute places financially...and even gotten down where there was very little in the cabinets... only to have God step in and provide by people who had absolutely no clue it was needed.

I trust God too much to resort to shoplifting.

MissBrattified · #22 12-23-2009, 03:33 PM

No! God will provide our needs!

Psalm 37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psalm 37:24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
Psalm 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

pelathais · #23 12-23-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No! God will provide our needs!

Psalm 37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psalm 37:24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
Psalm 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

I have seen righteous people literally begging for food.

ILG · #24 12-23-2009, 03:49 PM

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I have seen righteous people literally begging for food.

Yeah. I don't think we can be superspiritual about this and say God's people don't ever starve.

ForeverBlessed · #25 12-23-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother David

I have seen righteous people literally begging for food.

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Originally Posted by ILG

Yeah. I don't think we can be superspiritual about this and say God's people don't ever starve.

Then the local church body that they are part of is not really operating as they should... I have seen many people in hard times, but have never seen them go without food.

Oft times people have too much pride to ask or to let someone know of their struggles.

pelathais · #26 12-23-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

Then the local church body that they are part of is not really operating as they should... I have seen many people in hard times, but have never seen them go without food.

Oft times people have too much pride to ask or to let someone know of their struggles.

You're right, however I had some situations overseas in mind. The hunger was due to political corruption and banditry exacerbated by hoarding. Still, they were righteous people and they were hungry and begging for food.

But what of hunger in America and real hunger withing an arms reach of the church? We can indict "the church" - but that passage in Psalms is still left unattended, at least if people try to use it as some sort of doctrine. All we can really say is that the Psalmist lived in pretty good times in a pretty good place - sort of like the places most of us live.

But hunger and want should never be a measure of righteousness.

OnTheFritz · #27 12-23-2009, 04:41 PM

You know how they tell you on the plane to put the oxygen mask on first, THEN put it on your kids lest you become incapacitated. I think eating should be the same. I'll eat first, then give them something. I wouldn't want to pass out....

MissBrattified · #28 12-23-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Yeah. I don't think we can be superspiritual about this and say God's people don't ever starve.

Baron said something the other day--I think it was "This is generally true, but not universally true." We have been in some REALLY tight spots, but we have never gone without food. Sometimes it has to do with the ability to be frugal, too--I can feed my family for two days with a $2 bag of beans and some rice if I have to. It isn't ideal, but you'll survive. Some people think they're starving if they don't have the foods they want. I haven't ever personally seen any fellow Christians have to beg for food. Growing up in a pastor's home, I HAVE seen people tell us they didn't have any food, when in reality they meant, "All we have to eat is macaroni and cheese." Not the same thing.

Regardless, there are too many resources, churches, charities, etc., available for anyone to excuse stealing in order to eat. Maybe pride gets in the way of asking for help, but if we had no food, we'd be praying first, and probably borrowing money from somewhere or asking family for help.

ILG · #29 12-23-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

Then the local church body that they are part of is not really operating as they should... I have seen many people in hard times, but have never seen them go without food.

Oft times people have too much pride to ask or to let someone know of their struggles.

I am talking about areas where people are starving generally.

ILG · #30 12-23-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Baron said something the other day--I think it was "This is generally true, but not universally true." We have been in some REALLY tight spots, but we have never gone without food. Sometimes it has to do with the ability to be frugal, too--I can feed my family for two days with a $2 bag of beans and some rice if I have to. It isn't ideal, but you'll survive. Some people think they're starving if they don't have the foods they want. I haven't ever personally seen any fellow Christians have to beg for food. Growing up in a pastor's home, I HAVE seen people tell us they didn't have any food, when in reality they meant, "All we have to eat is macaroni and cheese." Not the same thing.

Regardless, there are too many resources, churches, charities, etc., available for anyone to excuse stealing in order to eat. Maybe pride gets in the way of asking for help, but if we had no food, we'd be praying first, and probably borrowing money from somewhere or asking family for help.

I was more referring to an overseas situation where people are starving. It has not happened in the US, but who knows what could happen in the future?