Doesn't that sound like an exercise video? LOL!!!!!
Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
"hair" - miqsheh - - ...in the sense of knotting up round and hard; something turned (rounded), that is, a curl (of tresses): - X well [set] hair.
Sounds like hair in a bun or curled to me.
Well?
That's talking about WELL SET HAIR, and not just hair, which therefore means NO well set hair, ladies!!
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Reading that scripture in context it seems to me that God isn't pleased at all with the haughtiness of the dress and coffered hair ....so, how can that scripture be used to support wearing your hair up?
You really think that? That the gist of the scripture is that God opposes:
A sweet smell
girdles
well set hair
chains
bracelets
rings
earrings
nose jewels
changeable suits of apparel
mantles
wimples
crisping pins
glasses
fine linen (remember the virtuous woman made this to sell, and wore coverings of tapestry, silk & purple)
hoods
vails
headbands
bonnets
ornaments of the legs
tablets
????
In verses 15 and 16, it clearly states what God is angry about, and in 17-26, it tells how He plans to punish them.
"What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord GOD of hosts. Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will....
Also, look at what God says He has done for Jerusalem:
Eze 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. Eze 16:7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. Eze 16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.
*Ahem* Let me just say, that the definition of "fashioned" in verse 7 is basically permission for women to wear nice, push-up bras.
I'll let you look up the definition of "fashioned"...LOL.
"excellent" & "ornaments" both have the same meaning -
in the sense of trappings; finery; generally an outfit; specifically a headstall: - X excellent, mouth, ornament.
Eze 16:10I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. Eze 16:11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. Eze 16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Eze 16:13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. Eze 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
God isn't against these things; but He took away what He had given as punishment.
Also, this is a common theme in what displeases God:
Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride,fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters,neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Eze 16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I understand what you are saying, but because they were haughty about how they looked was what made him angry.
Speaking from my past......I can see that as supporting some that walk around so proud of how they "look" that God is angry with them.
I don't think the scripture should ever be used to support wearing your hair up. I could see it being used to say if you wear these things and are haughty about it - - you might get a bit on punishment from God.
If we are going to make the scripture fit a meaning - that one is as good as the other.
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I understand what you are saying, but because they were haughty about how they looked was what made him angry.
Speaking from my past......I can see that as supporting some that walk around so proud of how they "look" that God is angry with them.
I don't think the scripture should ever be used to support wearing your hair up. I could see it being used to say if you wear these things and are haughty about it - - you might get a bit on punishment from God.
If we are going to make the scripture fit a meaning - that one is as good as the other.
Sure, it was their pride and haughtiness that caused the problem. Not the specific items they wore. To be consistent, if DB is going to use this as support for "well set hair" or to show that baldness is a shame to women, he needs to show support for every other item in those verses as well, which show the contrast between beauty and shame.
I'm not really trying to use scripture to "support" wearing your hair up--I just thought the definition was surprising. I posted it more in fun than anything else.
Personally, I think that wearing your hair down is the best fit for I Corinthians, if your hair is supposed to be like a "mantle" thrown about your shoulders, or I think there's another spot where the meaning is "long tresses of hair."
The whole passage contrasts beauty with shame, and God takes away the things that made them beautiful, things He had given them, which in turn brings them shame. (Which would be an endorsement of their use, IMO--since these things were given to them by God, even allegorically speaking).
I know you don't believe scripture teaches that jewelry, nice hair and nice clothing are wrong, Renda, so I'm not sure I understand your comments entirely.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Sure, it was their pride and haughtiness that caused the problem. Not the specific items they wore. To be consistent, if DB is going to use this as support for "well set hair" or to show that baldness is a shame to women, he needs to show support for every other item in those verses as well, which show the contrast between beauty and shame.
I'm not really trying to use scripture to "support" wearing your hair up--I just thought the definition was surprising. I posted it more in fun than anything else.
Personally, I think that wearing your hair down is the best fit for I Corinthians, if your hair is supposed to be like a "mantle" thrown about your shoulders, or I think there's another spot where the meaning is "long tresses of hair."
The whole passage contrasts beauty with shame, and God takes away the things that made them beautiful, things He had given them, which in turn brings them shame. (Which would be an endorsement of their use, IMO--since these things were given to them by God, even allegorically speaking).
I know you don't believe scripture teaches that jewelry, nice hair and nice clothing are wrong, Renda, so I'm not sure I understand your comments entirely.
I'm trying to say exactly what you just said here.......it's inconsistent to pick and choose out of that scripture (what DB has done). And I agree with everything you just said in this post.
It's the attitude - - if I cut my hair and wear earrings and act all haughty and proud that I do it - that's bad. If in my past, when I wore my hair up would have walked around all proud of my "look" - that's bad.
Yes - I agree that scripture DOES support all that those scriptures state - God loves beauty.....he created it. He spends too much time talking about preparing ourselves and wearing those push up bras for us to doubt how he feels about it.
I'm sorry I've confused you - just can't get it out right.
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I'm trying to say exactly what you just said here.......it's inconsistent to pick and choose out of that scripture (what DB has done). And I agree with everything you just said in this post.
It's the attitude - - if I cut my hair and wear earrings and act all haughty and proud that I do it - that's bad. If in my past, when I wore my hair up would have walked around all proud of my "look" - that's bad.
Yes - I agree that scripture DOES support all that those scriptures state - God loves beauty.....he created it. He spends too much time talking about preparing ourselves and wearing those push up bras for us to doubt how he feels about it.
I'm sorry I've confused you - just can't get it out right.
Okay, thanks. It sounded like you were making a stand against jewelry for a second. LOL!!!!!
I think we agree, and I agree that the scripture is lifted from the passage and inconsistently applied to support one doctrine, while the rest is completely ignored in logical opposition to other doctrines.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Okay, thanks. It sounded like you were making a stand against jewelry for a second. LOL!!!!!
I think we agree, and I agree that the scripture is lifted from the passage and inconsistently applied to support one doctrine, while the rest is completely ignored in logical opposition to other doctrines.
Yep.
This is really going to whack out a few. I'm still very modest even though I don't hold to the traditional Pentecostal standards. I wear earrings, but not huge attention getting ones. If I know that I'll be around someone that it might offend, I won't even wear them. It doesn't matter than much to me.
However, I have been around others that LOVE to push it in someone's face that they now wear things they didn't before. They'll put on the largest pair of earrings to make a point or wear the brightest red lipstick.
I think that is wrong.
Does that make more sense?
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Yes - I agree that scripture DOES support all that those scriptures state - God loves beauty.....he created it. He spends too much time talking about preparing ourselves and wearing those push up bras for us to doubt how he feels about it.
I posted it more in fun than anything else. 
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