i like you ttstew you know that, but rush is not a racist, i dont like obamas policies either, does that make me a racist , no,dt
You know I like you too DT. None of this has anything to do with that. I don't think you are racist for not liking Obama's policies. Personally, I don't care for most of what Obama, Bush or most other politicians are doing to America regardless of race. I try to be clear about that.
As to Rush, I cannot say definitively what his feelings are on race either way. I just gave you some of why he is perceived the way he is. For me personally, the reparations statement rubbed me the wrong way and felt like race-baiting and trying to introduce that element because of Obama's ethnicity.
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You know I like you too DT. None of this has anything to do with that. I don't think you are racist for not liking Obama's policies. Personally, I don't care for most of what Obama, Bush or most other politicians are doing to America regardless of race. I try to be clear about that.
As to Rush, I cannot say definitively what his feelings are on race either way. I just gave you some of why he is perceived the way he is. For me personally, the reparations statement rubbed me the wrong way and felt like race-baiting and trying to introduce that element because of Obama's ethnicity.
Stew,
When Obama was State Senator in Illinois he told a Chicago radio show that he sought "major redistributive change" for the benefit of fellow blacks.
That was seen as speaking in the context of the civil rights movement and it falling short of "economic justice". Many people interpreted his remarks to mean economic reparations for slavery.
I remember that being a big deal in the news then. What Limbaugh does is push the comments out in the most attention getting way and can be misunderstood. But, the "reparation" comments didn't start with him.
I agree with what you said here:
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I don't care for most of what Obama, Bush or most other politicians are doing to America regardless of race. I try to be clear about that.
I don't see how any of them will turn this country around. I don't see one leader that I trust to do it.
Obama Lamented Lack of ‘Redistributive Change’ in American Wealth
“If you look at the victories and the failures of the civil-rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court,” Obama said, “I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that, I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order. As long as I could pay for it, I would be okay.
“But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and served more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society and, to that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court (did), in the same way—that, generally, the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties; says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
“And that hasn’t shifted one of the--I think, one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that,” Obama said.
Stew,
When Obama was State Senator in Illinois he told a Chicago radio show that he sought "major redistributive change" for the benefit of fellow blacks.
That was seen as speaking in the context of the civil rights movement and it falling short of "economic justice". Many people interpreted his remarks to mean economic reparations for slavery.
I remember that being a big deal in the news then. What Limbaugh does is push the comments out in the most attention getting way and can be misunderstood. But, the "reparation" comments didn't start with him.
I agree with what you said here:
I don't see how any of them will turn this country around. I don't see one leader that I trust to do it.
PO, I'm just saying that I don't view any of his initiatives as President as a great departure from traditional liberal viewpoints and goals. The notion of reparations is crazy to me. What's almost funny is that you never hear the average black person talking about or asking for reparations of slavery.
I have found that it is usually the extremes on both sides who use the concept to their advantage. One to ask for something that we all know they're never going to get...and the other to claim that something is being widely demanded when we all know it isn't.
I have also found that even among those who are talking about "redistributive change", they are not talking about money for slavery, but a continuation of the much more recent civil rights movements that looked to level out a playing field that up until fairly recently included drastic financial, social, and political exclusion.
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PO, I'm just saying that I don't view any of his initiatives as President as a great departure from traditional liberal viewpoints and goals. The notion of reparations is crazy to me. What's almost funny is that you never hear the average black person talking about or asking for reparations of slavery.
I have found that it is usually the extremes on both sides who use the concept to their advantage. One to ask for something that we all know they're never going to get...and the other to claim that something is being widely demanded when we all know it isn't.
I have also found that even among those who are talking about "redistributive change", they are not talking about money for slavery, but a continuation of the much more recent civil rights movements that looked to level out a playing field that up until fairly recently included drastic financial, social, and political exclusion.
I agree with everything you are saying here, of course. My only point is that the reparation comments didn't begin with Rush like they came out of thin air. He can get snarky when he brings things out further, but many comments don't begin with him, he just elaborates on them.
Aside from all of that - on the topic of reparations - I cannot fathom how all of that could have begun and been accepted - slavery. How could you look another human being in the eye and view them as only being value for labor and human trafficing? It's just beyond me.
I can see, especially, among the older who still have the memories of segregation and the transition that is better, but isn't quite over yet. Money and greed can only be at the bottom of such things. The "love" of money - the root of all evil.
I agree with everything you are saying here, of course. My only point is that the reparation comments didn't begin with Rush like they came out of thin air. He can get snarky when he brings things out further, but many comments don't begin with him, he just elaborates on them.
Aside from all of that - on the topic of reparations - I cannot fathom how all of that could have begun and been accepted - slavery. How could you look another human being in the eye and view them as only being value for labor and human trafficing? It's just beyond me.
I can see, especially, among the older who still have the memories of segregation and the transition that is better, but isn't quite over yet. Money and greed can only be at the bottom of such things. The "love" of money - the root of all evil.
Something is not right. We're agreeing too much these days.
I'm not trying to make Rush out to be some awful person. I meant what I said when I said I used to listen to him religiously. My father is, in fact, probably the biggest dittohead of them all. I know that Rush is not the only person saying any of this, but his mic is often the loudest (tremendous voice and platform can have its drawbacks)
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Something is not right. We're agreeing too much these days.
I'm not trying to make Rush out to be some awful person. I meant what I said when I said I used to listen to him religiously. My father is, in fact, probably the biggest dittohead of them all. I know that Rush is not the only person saying any of this, but his mic is often the loudest (tremendous voice and platform can have its drawbacks)
Honestly, Sean Hannity gets on my nerves more.
But, get his - you are going to fall out of your chair laughing! I think it was Monday night - I dreamed I was married to Rush Limbaugh!!!
I told my husband about the dream and he said, "What in the world is the matter with you?!!!"
He was soooo nice in the dream! I think I want to meet him now!
But, get his - you are going to fall out of your chair laughing! I think it was Monday night - I dreamed I was married to Rush Limbaugh!!!
I told my husband about the dream and he said, "What in the world is the matter with you?!!!"
He was soooo nice in the dream! I think I want to meet him now!
LOL. I'm not sure the world is ready for a Limbaugh/PO union. You all would take over the world.
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't many women who dream of being married to Rush, but I'll just say that the fact that your husband did not feel the least bit threatened speaks volumes.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
LOL. I'm not sure the world is ready for a Limbaugh/PO union. You all would take over the world.
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't many women who dream of being married to Rush, but I'll just say that the fact that your husband did not feel the least bit threatened speaks volumes.
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