Reversing Myself

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You're in Detroit?

Guess again. About 3,000 miles West, another 80 miles and you'd drop off in the Pacific ocean. The land of fruit and nuts!! I think my town has improved a little in the past year or so. It was discussed on AFF a few months ago. I live in St. Louis part time because I am semi retired. Missouri is beautiful but not in the winter.
I just checked we are now #11 for most dangerous cities and #6 for car thefts. Wow, I feel so much safer. Think I'll leave my doors unlocked and keys in the car tonight.

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You don't have to tiptoe around minorities-- just respect us, that's all Sam.
Respect is a two way street, and sure does help when people respect themselves first, but this is a rabbit trail.



I agree with you that if she is not confirmed, the race-baiting sharks will be waiting.


Concerning that "wise Latina" comment that she made in 2001, well she made almost the exact same comment in 2004-- only it was a "wise woman" instead.


I don't think that the 2 incidents are merely coincidental.

I think she has a chip on her shoulder concerning her race and her sex.

This could cloud her ability to practice blind justice.

I fear you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. I know that elections results have consequences and one of them is that Presidents get to appoint judges including Supreme Court ones.

With that in mind I am resigned to the fact that Obama is going to appoint a very liberal judge. However this nominee disturbs me greatly beyond any basic judicial philisophy as I fear she is racist and feels minorites have some kind of superiority.

When her various statements are taken as a whole it makes me fear she might make judicial decisions based on emotion, irrational logic, and a desire to "compensate" for what she sees as injustices rather than actual constitutional positions. That is scary.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I do not support the President's nomination of Sotomayor for the Supreme Court.

Despite how it is painted, I think that she has racial and gender bias issues.

My opinion is based off of her own words.

However, I think she will be confirmed anyway.

Sotomayor's confirmation will prove to be very unfortunate for the concept of blind justice.

The outcome of this Supreme Court case, Ricci v. DeStefano, is much more involved than what I originally believed. The case could set a big precedent for the future concerning civil rights.


Firefighters Case: What Really Happened
The more you examine the New Haven affirmative-action case, the more indefensible it looks.

by Stuart Taylor

Saturday, June 13, 2009

Judge Jose Cabranes, Sotomayor's onetime mentor, accurately described the implication of this logic in his dissent from a 7-6 vote in which the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit refused to reconsider the panel's ruling.

"Municipal employers could reject the results of an employment examination whenever those results failed to yield a desired racial outcome -- i.e., failed to satisfy a racial quota," Cabranes wrote.

Indeed, the evidence shows that the promotions would have been lawful and that any disparate-impact suit by blacks was doomed to fail.

The Cabranes dissent and the voluminous factual record that was before the Sotomayor panel flatly contradict the widely stated view that her position was justified by evidence that the exams were not job-related and that they discriminated against blacks in violation of the "disparate-impact" provisions of federal civil-rights law.

In fact, neither Sotomayor nor any other judge has ever found that the exams -- one for would-be fire lieutenants, one for would-be captains -- were invalid or unfair. Nor has any judge found that allowing the promotions would have violated disparate-impact law.

Disparate-impact law -- as codified by Congress in 1991 -- specifies that an employer whose qualifying exam or other selection criterion produces a racially disparate impact can be held liable for unintentional discrimination only if (1) the test is not "job-related ... and consistent with business necessity," or (2) the employer is presented with and refuses to adopt another, similarly job-related test with less disparate impact.

If such belated, weak, and speculative criticisms -- obviously tailored to impugn the outcome of the tests -- are sufficient to disprove an exam's validity or fairness, no test will ever withstand a disparate-impact lawsuit. That may or may not be Sotomayor's objective. But it cannot be the law.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmag...ngargument.php

[Sam]

So a President who was voted in largely through racism has appointed a racist to the highest court in the land. Is anyone surprised?

I live in Ohio. ACORN (a racist organization funded by our federal government) openly advocated the election of a president based on his race.

I am a minority living in a predominantly African American city. I know of three white men who had their McCain signs vandalized in their front yards, one on my street about 3 doors up, and two on nearby streets. I don't know if these were the only 3 McCain signs in our city or not. They are the only three that I remember seeing. Some friends from Florida were up here before the election and one person remarked that she had never seen so many Obama signs. My wife replied that it was because we are in a "black neighborhood."

A nearby Apostolic/Pentecostal church in our city covered their church sign with an Obama sign and had several other Obama and Democratic signs on their lawn and became a site where voters could register and vote early (and probably often) for Obama. That church is pastored by an African American. I have never been inside but whenever I've seen them on television I don't remember seeing any white people there.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

So a President who was voted in largely through racism has appointed a racist to the highest court in the land. Is anyone surprised?

I live in Ohio. ACORN (a racist organization funded by our federal government) openly advocated the election of a president based on his race.

I am a minority living in a predominantly African American city. I know of three white men who had their McCain signs vandalized in their front yards, one on my street about 3 doors up, and two on nearby streets. I don't know if these were the only 3 McCain signs in our city or not. They are the only three that I remember seeing. Some friends from Florida were up here before the election and one person remarked that she had never seen so many Obama signs. My wife replied that it was because we are in a "black neighborhood."

A nearby Apostolic/Pentecostal church in our city covered their church sign with an Obama sign and had several other Obama and Democratic signs on their lawn and became a site where voters could register and vote early (and probably often) for Obama. That church is pastored by an African American. I have never been inside but whenever I've seen them on television I don't remember seeing any white people there.

Sam,

I am sorry that your background and experiences lead you to honestly believe that our President was elected due to racism.

By racism, I gather you are implying that people, Black and White, voted for President Obama simply because he was Black.

It is my opinion that this is false.

I wish there was a way of convincing you otherwise.




If it is of any consolation to you, Bush Sr has defended Sotomayor publicly just last week.

Is Bush Sr a racist too?

Not in my opinion, by Ms. Sotomayor has revealed with her own lips that she has hang-ups about race and her gender.

Our disdain for BHO's choice is mutual.

[DividedThigh]

i have to agree with my friend jeremyn that sotomayor is a racist, she admitted it, but i am not, you definitely are an honest soul brother, call it like it is, dt

[Praxeas]

I believe a lot of people voted for Obama because he is black, thinking this represented "change".

Why not? Some day we will elect the first homosexual president too.

For black people it represents "moving up"

For whites it's their way of saying "look, stop calling us racists already? We voted for a black guy"

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I believe a lot of people voted for Obama because he is black, thinking this represented "change".

Why not? Some day we will elect the first homosexual president too.

For black people it represents "moving up"

For whites it's their way of saying "look, stop calling us racists already? We voted for a black guy"

Your first statement still has people voting for BHO simply because he was Black.

If Keyes was running against Clinton or that lawyer from Carolina, Keyes would not have won.


But when we don't acknowledge THAT truth, we take away from what BHO accomplished and is accomplishing.

Before the election ended, both BHO and McCain's mantra became change.

In the end, BHO was more believable, more trustworthy and had sounder judgment in the eyes of the millions of Americans who voted for him.



There were some, a relative few, who voted for him because of his race but BHO did not earn that commanding victory off of his skin color or his good looks or whatever excuse people come up with to minimize his accomplishment.

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[QUOTE=Jermyn Davidson;760867]Your first statement still has people voting for BHO simply because he was Black.

If Keyes was running against Clinton or that lawyer from Carolina, Keyes would not have won.


But when we don't acknowledge THAT truth, we take away from what BHO accomplished and is accomplishing.

Before the election ended, both BHO and McCain's mantra became change.

In the end, BHO was more believable, more trustworthy and had sounder judgment in the eyes of the millions of Americans who voted for him.



There were some, a relative few, who voted for him because of his race but BHO did not earn that commanding victory off of his skin color or his good looks or whatever excuse people come up with to minimize his accomplishment.[/QUOTE] And was blacker!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

And was blacker!!

Care to elaborate?