The Church has always persecuted Fresh Moves of God

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Felicity

• I don't know as anyone is attempting to PROVE anything. Just to discuss.
  
  
• In regard to the CHURCH: Christianity in general as its represented by its different denominations, religions and dontrines. I mean we could be talking about "the church" when we talk about Judaism and religious leaders of Jesus day who were at least partly responsible for nailing Hm to the cross. The apostles, all but one, were martyred and persecuted by the "church" of their day.
  
  
• ALWAYS: a general term suggesting "throughout history".
  
  
• PERSECUTE: a term that in its broadest sense could mean everything from criticism to murder.
  
  
• FRESH MOVES OF GOD: like the Azusa Street revival. Like the revival that has taken place in China. Etc.

Thanks Felicity, takes a woman to help make men communicate better.

[Coonskinner]

I realize too that this is just a discussion, but the reason some of us like to be very clear about these things is that the Church is often a target for criticism, some of it warranted, but not all of it.

A lot of wacky stuff gets slipped in on the heels of some vigorous, vociferous round of criticizing the Church.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I realize too that this is just a discussion, but the reason some of us like to be very clear about these things is that the Church is often a target for criticism, some of it warranted, but not all of it.

A lot of wacky stuff gets slipped in on the heels of some vigorous, vociferous round of criticizing the Church.

Well, I'm not entering into discussion necessarily in defence mode.

The established "church" threw rocks, criticized, and mocked saying that we were of the deveil when Pentecost first showed up way back around 1900. It's hapened since. People were forced out of their homes and out of their churches. A price was paid and yes, there was persecution.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Well, I'm not entering into discussion necessarily in defence mode.

The established "church" threw rocks, criticized, and mocked saying that we were of the deveil when Pentecost first showed up way back around 1900. It's hapened since. People were forced out of their homes and out of their churches. A price was paid and yes, there was persecution.

The 'established' (church) were unsaved folks for they had not obeyed the gospel that would put them into the church.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The 'established' (church) were unsaved folks for they had not obeyed the gospel that would put them into the church.

I can't wholeheartedly agree with that. Sorry.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Well, I'm not entering into discussion necessarily in defence mode.

The established "church" threw rocks, criticized, and mocked saying that we were of the deveil when Pentecost first showed up way back around 1900. It's hapened since. People were forced out of their homes and out of their churches. A price was paid and yes, there was persecution.

We are differing on how we define the Church.

I consider the church to be comprised solely of people who have been born again of water and Spirit.

The harlot is who does the persecuting; not the Bride.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

We are differing on how we define the Church.

I consider the church to be comprised solely of people who have been born again of water and Spirit.

The harlot is who does the persecuting; not the Bride.

I understand.

I think that the first post was talking about the church in a broader sense. Our view on what the church is and the world's or society's view in general is different.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I can't wholeheartedly agree with that. Sorry.

I am in shock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am in shock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL! I love that shocked look on your face. It's worth disagreeing with you every now and then just to see it.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I realize too that this is just a discussion, but the reason some of us like to be very clear about these things is that the Church is often a target for criticism, some of it warranted, but not all of it.

A lot of wacky stuff gets slipped in on the heels of some vigorous, vociferous round of criticizing the Church.

Shall I mention some strangeness in the Ranks of the prophetic:

God using a depressed prophet-Jeremiah
A guy with a bitter heart and bad attitude towards those he suppost to reach-Jonah
Another one subject to extreme mood swings-Elijah
A mystic subject to weird visions-Ezekiel
One who went naked for a long time-Hosea
Another that talked to animals-Balaam
A guy who resorted to lying to get his way out of trouble-Abraham
Vegeterian-Daniel
Wears unusual clothing-John the Baptist
A guy who would argue with God-Habakkuk

My point is we shouldn't judge what God does alone on the package that he brings his ministry through!