Just Wondering.....

[ILG]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

Alright Peeps, thanks for the kind words. But this is not the reason for this thread.

I really wonder why we are painted with such a broad brush. So many times, when people get hurt, they allow bitterness to set in and will not deal with it, because it is too painful. I know, because been there, done that. You MUST deal with bitterness as it comes.

We sometimes make unwise choices and then blame the people that we are associated with and make them the scapegoat and the reason we don't allow God to heal us.

Here is the difference, LCS. We have a difference in opinion of what unwise and wise choices are. We differ in what we believe. That doesn't make us better or worse than others. It doesn't make us more or less bitter than you or anybody else. It means some have made different choices and believe differently. That's all. When people make those differences in choices and belief a smudge on character, that's where the problem comes in. I might believe the UPC has cult-like tendencies....that is not a smudge on your character. If I said you have to believe like me or you are bitter, resentful, going to hell or a cult leader, that's a smudge on your character.

[LadyCoonskinner]

Originally Posted by ILG

Here is the difference, LCS. We have a difference in opinion of what unwise and wise choices are. We differ in what we believe. That doesn't make us better or worse than others. It doesn't make us more or less bitter than you or anybody else. It means some have made different choices and believe differently. That's all. When people make those differences in choices and belief a smudge on character, that's where the problem comes in. I might believe the UPC has cult-like tendencies....that is not a smudge on your character. If I said you have to believe like me or you are bitter, resentful, going to hell or a cult leader, that's a smudge on your character.

When someone says "I don't believe the CULTISH PRACTICES of MOST APOSTOLIC CHURCHES" Most anyone who is Apostolic would take offense. To me, it was a "smudge" on my character because this is who I am and what I believe.

What was said, was said by a lady that is full of bitterness and won't allow the Lord to heal her. That is an unwise choice and EVERYBODY knows that. That's the kind of choices I'm talking about. Allowing bitterness to eat up from the inside so much that it clouds your judgement to almost everything in life. SHe had a rough time and she comes here and calls the faith I believe in a "cultish practice" that was unwise IMO.

People arent' bitter because they don't believe like me, they are bitter when they refuse to deal with issues or pain or hurt and untrust. Just because you walk away from what I call the Truth, doesn't mean you are bitter, it just means you walked away for whatever reason. Many walk away because of bitterness, but not all. I know that and respect that. Like I said, I have been hurt in the house of my friends. Badly, I almost lost my son because of the stress of that situation, I lost alot of blood and was in bed for a few weeks and never was guaranteed that I'd carry him full term. I ended up with a blood clot and was not assured that I would even live, all because I was wounded in the house of my friends, by doing what was right....I'm not perfect, did I have to pray and forgive, oh my yes, many many many times a day some times many times an hour..but God was good and He helped me. I carried bitterness for a couple of years and one night in a service, I heard a man's name and it sounded to me like someone scratching their fingernails on a chalkboard. WE had a message in tongues and the Lord said that there was someone blocking the Revival He had for us with the bitterness in their soul and didn't even realize it. It was me, I went to my husband and told him I needed him to help me and we prayed and I cried and cried, forgave the man and got victory. Have I had to pray through about it again, oh yes, and I'm sure I'll have to do it again.

God is so good.

[Esther]

I know it is a full moon and the emotions are running rampart.

However, I have always enjoyed your post. I would consider you a friend if we were ever to meet face to face. I respect you for standing for what you believe. I may not agree 100% on the essentially of some things but have no greif with any that abides by what they have consecrated unto God. He is worthy of any sacrifice anyone is willing to give unto Him.

I am also a friend of Rhoni and I don't believe you are asking anyone to choose sides in this situation. I understand Rhoni is very hurt and only God can heal and mend the wounds.

The Lord showed a lady minister friend of mine years ago of a vision of an army with most of them wearing bandages for their wounds. And she asked the Lord whose army is this? And the Lord spoke to her and told her it is His army.

While praying and preparing for a message to speak before a women's conference many years ago, the Lord spoke to me very strongly and how upset He is for the way His children wound and shoot each other.

Many times we all allow the devil to use us without realizing it.

We so need to learn to love one another as they are. Not to condone their wrong doings, but to love them in spite of it.

I know I have been misunderstood here many times. I have come to love and respect many here. I like to tease and it sometimes doesn't come through when you have a dry sense of humor. You can't see my eyes glittering as I am holding back my laughter.

I love all the admin team and I know we all try to have a fair board here and not choose sides. But as a team we are also all different. We have our own perpectives as to how certain situations should be handled. We do not always agree, but we work together and don't hold grudges against one another.

I know I would be the first to say if I have offended anyone to please let me know, because it is has never been my intention to do so.

I do want this to be a Christian board. One that everyone acts Christ like even when they disagree.

And this board would not be a good as it is now if it wasn't for the balance of the UC, Cons, Mod, and liberals. Never heard these terms before th forum.

I pray that God would mend the hurts of all that have been involved in this situation.

Love you all.

[ILG]

When someone says "I don't believe the CULTISH PRACTICES of MOST APOSTOLIC CHURCHES" Most anyone who is Apostolic would take offense. To me, it was a "smudge" on my character because this is who I am and what I believe.

Then to be consistent, in order to not "smudge" anyone's character on this board, you are going to have to not call anything false doctrine and you are going to have to never say "I believe women cutting their hair is a sin". What was said was an opinion about a church denomination just like you have your own opinions.

What was said, was said by a lady that is full of bitterness and won't allow the Lord to heal her.

LCS, I am going to have to take issue with this. You are saying that her opinion about Apostolic churches are a huge offense to you even though this is about a church and not you and yet you are going to smudge her personal character and it is supposed to be okay.

I do not judge your love for God. I strongly belive you love God, but you are wrong in this. Enough said.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by ILG

Then to be consistent, in order to not "smudge" anyone's character on this board, you are going to have to not call anything false doctrine and you are going to have to never say "I believe women cutting their hair is a sin". What was said was an opinion about a church denomination just like you have your own opinions.



LCS, I am going to have to take issue with this. You are saying that her opinion about Apostolic churches are a huge offense to you even though this is about a church and not you and yet you are going to smudge her personal character and it is supposed to be okay.

I do not judge your love for God. I strongly belive you love God, but you are wrong in this. Enough said.

"Cultish" is an extremely pejorative term, conjuring up images of Jim Jones and Baghwans and other loonies.

No way to make that the same as discussing Biblical precepts and calling some of them false doctrine or sin.

However, for the purpose of this thread, it is probably best to let Baghwans be Baghwans.

[LadyCoonskinner]

Originally Posted by ILG

Then to be consistent, in order to not "smudge" anyone's character on this board, you are going to have to not call anything false doctrine and you are going to have to never say "I believe women cutting their hair is a sin". What was said was an opinion about a church denomination just like you have your own opinions.



LCS, I am going to have to take issue with this. You are saying that her opinion about Apostolic churches are a huge offense to you even though this is about a church and not you and yet you are going to smudge her personal character and it is supposed to be okay.

I do not judge your love for God. I strongly belive you love God, but you are wrong in this. Enough said.

For one thing, Apostolic is not a church denomination it is a lifestyle and a doctorine of faith.

To call something cultish is much more offensive than calling something false. I have not said anything about false doctorine or that cutting your hair is a sin. I don't like to stir a bunch of junk up. How much emotion would it stir to say that say AMos is an idiot, even if it was my opinion, ( can say this cause I know he won't be mad) rather than saying, You know I can't agree with the way Amos handles things,I don't agree with him.

I am not "smudging" her character when I say she is dealing with bitterness, I believe she has stated that on occasion. I believe She is a great person, she just has some issues she needs to deal with. I still would like to meet her if she came up here, but that doesn't negate the fact that she has issues, like we ALL do, to deal with.

Enough said!!!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

For one thing, Apostolic is not a church denomination it is a lifestyle and a doctorine of faith.

To call something cultish is much more offensive than calling something false. I have not said anything about false doctorine or that cutting your hair is a sin. I don't like to stir a bunch of junk up. How much emotion would it stir to say that say AMos is an idiot, even if it was my opinion, ( can say this cause I know he won't be mad) rather than saying, You know I can't agree with the way Amos handles things,I don't agree with him.

I am not "smudging" her character when I say she is dealing with bitterness, I believe she has stated that on occasion. I believe She is a great person, she just has some issues she needs to deal with. I still would like to meet her if she came up here, but that doesn't negate the fact that she has issues, like we ALL do, to deal with.

Enough said!!!

So calling someone full of bitterness and refusing to let the Lord heal her on a public forum in front of hundreds of people is just fine while saying most Apostolic churches have cultic practices is severely offensive and demands apology.

All I can say is this type of reasoning is one of the reasons I am no longer part of the Apostolic church and that is my opinion.

[LadyCoonskinner]

Originally Posted by ILG

So calling someone full of bitterness and refusing to let the Lord heal her on a public forum in front of hundreds of people is just fine while saying most Apostolic churches have cultic practices is severely offensive and demands apology.

All I can say is this type of reasoning is one of the reasons I am no longer part of the Apostolic church and that is my opinion.

She has stated on here many times that she deals with bitterness. She knows she deals with bitterness and we know that she deals with bitterness.

I have not demanded an apology and will not demand an apology.

As for my reasoning, well that's up to you take it how you will. That's your right, but it doesn't make it correct. You can have your opinion and I have mine, but you are entitled to express it just like me.

Have a great day!!!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

Thanks Sherri. Coming from you that means alot. Not sure how many will agree with you, but it' nice to hear it from such a wonderful lady!!!

I agree with her!

[rgcraig]

What's a Baghwan?