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Old 03-27-2007, 09:34 PM
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:42 PM
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Scott and Miss Bratt - I have been saying this for years and cannot believe that so many "Apostolics" have been caught up in the acceptance of the Jews as "God's Chosen People". They were once - but GOD DIVORCED THEM! They are NOT SAVED. They are Ungodly for the most part and even the most orthodox among them are totally perverted. When you start talking with them and reading and studying them - they are twisted and perverted. The Rabbi's of today are no more than fortune tellers - witchcraft workers - They even call themselves - Mystics!
Judaism today for the most part is a religion based on Mysticism and is not based on the Word of God.
Do you adhere to Dispensationalism??
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:43 PM
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Do you adhere to Dispensationalism??
Do you Berk?
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:44 PM
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Jesus totally upset their religion, and revealed it for what it was...faulty, manmade, and pharisaical in nature.
Matthew 23:2-3 The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you--but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

This passage of scripture seems very clear to me that Jesus recognized at least to some extent the teaching authority of the Pharisees.

John 11:49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all. 50 Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish." 51He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation

Even in Caiphas' utter depravity and wickedness, by virtue of the office that he held by the mandate of the law of God, was used as an instrument of God to proclaim a glorious truth. So God was faithful to his covenant people and even used corrupt people to reveal his means of grace.
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:45 PM
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:46 PM
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Jesus problem w/ the Pharisees was their attitude ... he never argued doctrine w/ them.
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:17 PM
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The fact that Jesus "was a Jew" offers no support to Judaism, which is formed more on tradition and human translation of scripture than scripture itself. Jesus totally upset their religion, and revealed it for what it was...faulty, manmade, and pharisaical in nature.
I don't know what to say... except that this is wrong. Totally wrong.

Jesus didn't destory Judaism. He fulfilled it. He was the epitomy of a Jew. That means he kept the feasts... the customs... the traditions (the ones based on biblical principals).

Sure, he exposed the out of balance teachings - there's no doubt about that, but he didn't come to destroy Judaism and start a NEW religion of "Christianity". He came to fulfill the 'religion' that his people practiced... Judaism.

The fact that he came as a Jew absolutely supports Judaism (of that time, of course).
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:19 PM
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Jesus problem w/ the Pharisees was their attitude ... he never argued doctrine w/ them.
Correct, except when their doctrine was out of balance...

However, for the most part, of ALL the sects at the time, Jesus' teachings were closest to the Pharisees overall.
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:21 PM
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Yes, God divorced the Jews... but if he was through with them, Jesus would not have come to them.

He came unto his own.

He didn't give up on them.

Ask yourself...
Who were the first believers? Gentiles or Jews?
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:22 PM
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....and they recieved Him not...
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