Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

[AmericanAngel]

And lets not forget Soloman...was it 800+ or - wives and 300+ or- concubines???

[Rico]

Originally Posted by AmericanAngel

And lets not forget Soloman...was it 800+ or - wives and 300+ or- concubines???

That's just plain way too excessive. I could see maybe 3-4, 6 over your lifetime max, but all them womenfolk? Absolutely NOT! Maybe the reason all this polygamy stuff was popular is because there was a shortage of men and an overabundance of women? Just a thought.

[Mrs. LPW]

Wasn't adulterous at that time... David and Bethsheba was adulterous.
Women were chattel. Jesus was the first to liberate women.. and the first to emancipate slaves.
He took us back to the way things were created to be.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rico

That's just plain way too excessive. I could see maybe 3-4, 6 over your lifetime max, but all them womenfolk? Absolutely NOT! Maybe the reason all this polygamy stuff was popular is because there was a shortage of men and an overabundance of women? Just a thought.

True, plus there were more women than men anyway, because warfare was such a big a part of that era. Men got killed off in wars a lot, so even if every man got married to one wife, there'd be a lot of women left over. So from a practical standpoint it would make sense for the men to take on multiple wives. Multiple wives= multiple offspring, which would help the nations to replenish their population, and avoid extinction.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

True, plus there were more women than men anyway, because warfare was such a big a part of that era. Men got killed off in wars a lot, so even if every man got married to one wife, there'd be a lot of women left over. So from a practical standpoint it would make sense for the men to take on multiple wives. Multiple wives= multiple offspring, which would help the nations to replenish their population, and avoid extinction.

This is probably very true. At least these were my thoughts.

But TODAY it would be wrong.

David also fit into that time of mulitiple wives.

[Cindy]

But you know Sarah seems to have started a pattern for polygamyous women. For the first wife it might be great, but she didn't like the idea of the cocubine having a child that might usurp her's. And I have read that the first wives from FLDS and others are like that. That they are very abusive to the other wives children. And you know having a lot of kids wears you out and wears you down. So if numbers are neccessary as it seems to be for them, they need a lot of younger women having children. I was pregnant nine times in fifteen years up to to my mid 30's. My doctor strongly advised me to stop.

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Esther

This is probably very true. At least these were my thoughts.

But TODAY it would be wrong.

David also fit into that time of mulitiple wives.

Yes he did... that's how he was able to kill off Uriah and marry Bathsheba before the affair was found out.
The irony was, he should have been at war himself when he was tempted with Bathsheba.

[Falla39]

Rom. 7:7, Paul explained that he would not have known sin, but by the law.

I have a dear friend from another country who told me that growing up she
was never told anything was wrong. When she became a teenager and began
dating, she had no boundries, she didn't have any standard to go by. Nothing
was wrong so she did whatever. Later she moved to our town, went to school
with me my senior year. dropped out to marry. Later, marital problems, planning
to divorce husband, went to church with me, heard the gospel, baptized in Jesus
Name, received the Holy Ghost. Has served God many years.

Said all that to say, without the boundries of the law, they did not know what
sin was. Paul told the Galatians that the law was given for transgressions until
the seed (Jesus Christ) could come. Gal. 3:16

A child may do something unacceptable, but when confronted with the truth,
they are then accountable.

The law had not yet been given. Evidently not counted as wrong. After God
called Abraham to go out, and Abraham obeyed, faith in God grew and his
faith was accounted to him for righteousness. Maybe Abraham lacked some in
the righteous dept. at that time, but he believed God and God just took some of
his faith and credited or accounted it to him for righteousness.

Just some Falla thoughts anyway!

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

But you know Sarah seems to have started a pattern for polygamyous women. For the first wife it might be great, but she didn't like the idea of the cocubine having a child that might usurp her's. And I have read that the first wives from FLDS and others are like that. That they are very abusive to the other wives children. And you know having a lot of kids wears you out and wears you down. So if numbers are neccessary as it seems to be for them, they need a lot of younger women having children. I was pregnant nine times in fifteen years up to to my mid 30's. My doctor strongly advised me to stop.

Do you have nine children?

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Rom. 7:7, Paul explained that he would not have known sin, but by the law.

I have a dear friend from another country who told me that growing up she
was never told anything was wrong. When she became a teenager and began
dating, she had no boundries, she didn't have any standard to go by. Nothing
was wrong so she did whatever. Later she moved to our town, went to school
with me my senior year. dropped out to marry. Later, marital problems, planning
to divorce husband, went to church with me, heard the gospel, baptized in Jesus
Name, received the Holy Ghost. Has served God many years.

Said all that to say, without the boundries of the law, they did not know what
sin was. Paul told the Galatians that the law was given for transgressions until
the seed (Jesus Christ) could come. Gal. 3:16

A child may do something unacceptable, but when confronted with the truth,
they are then accountable.

The law had not yet been given. Evidently not counted as wrong. After God
called Abraham to go out, and Abraham obeyed, faith in God grew and his
faith was accounted to him for righteousness. Maybe Abraham lacked some in
the righteous dept. at that time, but he believed God and God just took some of
his faith and credited or accounted it to him for righteousness.

Just some Falla thoughts anyway!

Excellent description of the Old Testement!!!!! God winked at their ignorance but now commands all man everywhere to repent.
Thank you Falla.