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Old 02-18-2008, 11:23 PM
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Re: Loiusiana Governor special guest speaker at UP

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That's a wonderful picture of your son with the Governor! Did he have any idea of what was going on??

what was the governor's reaction when all those men were around him praying for him??? I see that one of them has a beard???


Be nice!!!!
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:32 AM
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Re: Loiusiana Governor special guest speaker at UP

haha....I love the time at La Camp one guy got up and told everyone how much he follows his wife spiritually.That went over well
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:33 PM
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Another mid-level state official who spoke at Tioga one year obviously knew nothing about UPC. Having heard a lot of preaching and singing about the Holy Ghost, he tried to pander by shouting "I believe in God the Holy Ghost, I believe in God the Father, and I believe in God the Son!" Dead silence. The elderly lady next to me leaned over and said "Hmmm! He don't believe in much, does he?"
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:39 PM
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Re: Loiusiana Governor special guest speaker at UP

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The Gov. of La. was the special guest speaker tonight at Pastor Ramsey's church in mindon.


Is this mixing politics with the pulpit ???


should we trade the gospel message for a political speech???
This is article I wrote for another website, it might address any questions about which activities are allowed, and which put a church at risk for losing 501(c)(3) status.

Church Law & Political Speech

Americans are given more liberty than perhaps any other people as far as free speech. This is especially true when it comes to churches. However, in the case of 501 c (3) church organizations there are some important limitations to be aware of if a church desires to maintain Tax Exempt Status.

One of the most severe limitations is in the area of political speech. Since this is a presidential election year, hopefully this will be a helpful overview of which activities are allowable and which may endanger a church’s status with the IRS.


Even something as seemingly innocuous as voter’s registration can place such status in peril.

For example:
• Literature cannot favor any candidate over another.
• No political party can be named except for identifying the political party of all candidates.
• Communication is limited to urges to vote and register, describing hours and locations
• The voter drives are made without regard to voter’s political preference. (However, it is allowed to target certain areas even knowing it predominantly supporters of a particular party or candidate)
• Materials cannot promote a “conservative agenda”, or politicians either promoting or opposing that agenda even if it does not specifically name candidates.


In a similar vein if churches put out voting guides they must contain information or restrictions:


• The voting records of all incumbent members of the legislative body who represent the local area.
• The voting record must contain a range of issues and not just target issues that would represent the organization’s “agenda”.
• The candidates for reelection will not be identified as incumbents
• No comment may be made on an individual’s overall qualification’s for office
• No statement may endorse or reject any candidate (express or implied)


Statements concerning the minister’s endorsement:

Ministers have the same rights as any other individual to express opinions concerning candidates or issues. However, since churches desiring to maintain tax exempt status are not permitted to promote a specific political agenda, when such an opinion is expressed it must not appear to be the church which is endorsing the candidate. This means such an endorsement may not be made during an official church function or even on church letterhead. However, on their endorsements as individuals, ministers may of course list the position or title they hold.

Referendums, constitutional amendments, ballot propositions and voter initiatives are classified as lobbying activities and a general rule of thumb is a maximum of 5%-15% of a church’s budget, time and effort can be expended on such functions without being in danger of crossing the threshold into substantial activity.

Generally speaking a church may not enter into “electioneering communications”, by things such as paid broadcast, or cable communications, and/or advocating voting for or against a candidate or party within 60 days prior to a general election or 30 days prior to a primary election for a federal office.


(Please note this article is intended as general advice only and should not be relied on as legal advice with respect to any particular set of facts.)
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Old 02-22-2008, 01:55 PM
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Re: Loiusiana Governor special guest speaker at UP

This is not news. Jindal spoke at many, many Louisiana UPCI churches throughout the State during the campaign. I was at three of them. He essentially gives his personal testimony of coming to Christ.
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:03 AM
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Re: Loiusiana Governor special guest speaker at UP

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They have to bring guys like that in so their people can know what is going on since they won't let them watch TV to find out...
hee hee! that's how much u know! it would be more like how many people don't have a tv at my church. they are the minority.
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:07 AM
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Re: Loiusiana Governor special guest speaker at UP

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This is not news. Jindal spoke at many, many Louisiana UPCI churches throughout the State during the campaign. I was at three of them. He essentially gives his personal testimony of coming to Christ.
yes, exactly. he was scheduled to speak at churches with over 450 on the roll i believe. he couldn't go to EVERY church in La. i enjoyed his visit and although he isn't pentecostal he really does seem like a sincere christian. not sure what he is...thought he was catholic but he talks like a baptist when he spoke of things like accepting Jesus as his savior, etc. catholics don't talk like that. of course there are some idiots that say he is still hindu b/c he is indian...but that's the south for you...
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:13 PM
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yes, exactly. he was scheduled to speak at churches with over 450 on the roll i believe. he couldn't go to EVERY church in La. i enjoyed his visit and although he isn't pentecostal he really does seem like a sincere christian. not sure what he is...thought he was catholic but he talks like a baptist when he spoke of things like accepting Jesus as his savior, etc. catholics don't talk like that. of course there are some idiots that say he is still hindu b/c he is indian...but that's the south for you...
You are correct, SavedLou...there was a tremendous difference from the previous governor's race when he lost to Blanco. During that campaign, he was still looked at as an outsider and the rumor that he was Hindu just wouldn't go away...

However, this time he made doubly sure that most Louisianians knew that he was a Christian and that his faith was very real...so the results were quite different - he won the election without a runoff with quite a large field of candidates...

It looks like his ethics package will be passed by the Legislature pretty much in tact as he wanted...I'm looking forward to a Louisiana governor with ethics...quite a change from the past...
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Old 02-23-2008, 09:42 PM
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You are correct, SavedLou...there was a tremendous difference from the previous governor's race when he lost to Blanco. During that campaign, he was still looked at as an outsider and the rumor that he was Hindu just wouldn't go away...

However, this time he made doubly sure that most Louisianians knew that he was a Christian and that his faith was very real...so the results were quite different - he won the election without a runoff with quite a large field of candidates...

It looks like his ethics package will be passed by the Legislature pretty much in tact as he wanted...I'm looking forward to a Louisiana governor with ethics...quite a change from the past...
I think a large reason why there was no runoff is because most of us wanted Blanco out. Thankfully, we should not ever have to live through another fiasco like her leadership seemed to bring.
While Jindal seems like a sincere person, I cannot call him christian because he is not saved by biblcal standards. He is saved through another gospel than what the apostles taught.
Hopefully, he will come to a knowledge of truth.
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Re: Loiusiana Governor special guest speaker at UP

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You are correct, SavedLou...there was a tremendous difference from the previous governor's race when he lost to Blanco. During that campaign, he was still looked at as an outsider and the rumor that he was Hindu just wouldn't go away...

However, this time he made doubly sure that most Louisianians knew that he was a Christian and that his faith was very real...so the results were quite different - he won the election without a runoff with quite a large field of candidates...

It looks like his ethics package will be passed by the Legislature pretty much in tact as he wanted...I'm looking forward to a Louisiana governor with ethics...quite a change from the past...
It seems the South is particularly susceptible to goofy rumors and conspiracy theories.

At a family wedding last weekend my 80+ year old FIL seriously thought that Mitt Rommney had two wives! LOL!!!! His wife had told him that.

That rumor was obviously either started intentionally or as a joke by someone. Good grief! I mean Rommney was the Governor of Mass. for two terms, etc. and bigamy is illegal not to mention the LDS church disavowed it about 100 years ago. Sheesh!!!
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