Christians and Politics

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

I follow…but this also comes to my mind…isn’t he not willing that any should perish, but they’re still perishing by the groves?


Is it possible that he is not allowing his will to be done with some things?

I don’t think I can wrap my mind around this stuff…hurts my brain…what all falls under “His will”, and if it’s accomplished even without the assistance of his body of Christ.


Not intending to argue your point…just thinking out loud


I figure he’s got it all under control know matter who gets voted in.

God wants many things that He doesn't necessarily get. Did He want Adam to sin? When it comes to human free will, God is willing to allow people to make their choices. If God just unilaterally saved everyone contrary to their own choice, then what exactly would "salvation" look like? It would look like eternity in hell for most people, because most people don't want anything to do with God.

So there is what people call "the permissive will of God", meaning there are things that God allows that aren't necessarily what He wants, in one sense, but He allows them to happen because in the larger scheme of things it is better. Thus God allows people free will, and allows them to choose evil, because to not allow them to choose evil would do more damage to His moral government of things than to allow them to exercise their free will.

As for the election, it hasn't even happened yet. The President and Vice President are not chosen by Mr and Mrs John Q Public. They are chosen by Electors, appointed by each State. Those Electors haven't yet voted as far as I know.

Thus, all the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on presenting the illusion of a "popular election", all the people involved in conveniently NOT emphasizing the actual election is not in the hands of Mr and Mrs John Q Public, proves beyond any possibility of refutation that the entire system is a racketeering confidence scam.

[Esaias]

Nicodemus, did you bail on your thread?

[Tithesmeister]

https://youtu.be/aCNeNwKIwbU?si=0KmSTO2aJPcr0hkR

The video above is an interesting view of Christian Nationalism. I don’t necessarily agree with all of it but I do agree with the fundamental premise that Christian Nationalism is not the answer. It always ends poorly. Because Christian Nationalism basically (in my opinion) is really political in nature. It is not religious. It is really an example of using the power of religion to gain political advantage.

[Tithesmeister]

Another video that is focused on the influence of the KKK and on the “early” Pentecostal movement. By the way, the KKK was and still is a church that considers itself Christian, kind of like Christian Nationalism. You sure have to be careful what you endorse or accept under the banner of Christianity or even Pentecostalism or Apostolicalism. As Sister Amanah has alluded to, be cautious when dealing with the isms.

https://youtu.be/sEsqSRNyi7Y?si=XtueTPw4IFRiYywP

[Tithesmeister]

Here is an article that documents the common interests and even fraternity of leadership of the UPCI and others who were involved with the KKK and UPCI simultaneously.

There is no shortage of documentation. Remember that as an organization the UPCI beginning is traced to 1945.

https://william-branham.org/site/res...ecostal_church

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Here is an article that documents the common interests and even fraternity of leadership of the UPCI and others who were involved with the KKK and UPCI simultaneously.

There is no shortage of documentation. Remember that as an organization the UPCI beginning is traced to 1945.

https://william-branham.org/site/res...ecostal_church

I am having a hard connection between the UPCI and KKK in that article. It just says that Roy was once Pentecostal and went in the evil direction, like many others. I see actually greater connection between Braham himself and KKK in that article.

That guy Roy Davis was evil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Elonzo_Davis

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I am having a hard connection between the UPCI and KKK in that article. It just says that Roy was once Pentecostal and went in the evil direction, like many others. I see actually greater connection between Braham himself and KKK in that article.

That guy Roy Davis was evil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Elonzo_Davis

You tithemeister, will like this. The one that brought (through a member of the congregation) tithing to the Church of God (Cleveland) was the General Overseer Tomlinson. In the same meeting where dissenting voices were said to have been "wise to stay quiet" (literal words from the meeting minutes). The same one that allowed and even invited Davis to run his "revival" meeting, in which he openly advertised his KKK ideas.

By the fruit you will know them.

[Tithesmeister]

Christian Nationalism?

https://youtu.be/tnupISwtEB0?si=Qw-f0YQHWkG4nEX7

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by coksiw

You tithemeister, will like this. The one that brought (through a member of the congregation) tithing to the Church of God (Cleveland) was the General Overseer Tomlinson. In the same meeting where dissenting voices were said to have been "wise to stay quiet" (literal words from the meeting minutes). The same one that allowed and even invited Davis to run his "revival" meeting, in which he openly advertised his KKK ideas.

By the fruit you will know them.

A while back you created a thread questioning where the UPCI got their tithe doctrine from. In that thread you posted this information that you are referencing above.

I’m beginning to think that they may have gotten it from the LDS. Have you considered that possibility?

[Esaias]

So the thread is about "Christians and politics" but has devolved into a discussion of Pentecostals, Branham, tithing, and the Klan?