*Myles Young's Departure from the UPC*

[Walks_in_islam]

Have you? (laughing) Attended or visited an actual, 1970's brand ACE school?

Originally Posted by n david

Have you ever attended or visited an ACE school?

[Walks_in_islam]

OH please. God instructed his followers in the Bible to kill all the time. Wipe out whole cities, every man, woman, and child. How many sins in the Bible carry the death penalty by God's law? By stoning no less? Was that before or after the 10 commandments? (quick test question)

Originally Posted by oletime

he is too busy defending islam to have done that , i dont know how he explains the command in the quran for all muslims to kill an infidel. is their an old quran and a new quran ? i think not! maybe that is why he moved to saudi arbia because he wanted to avoid that possibility? GOD said thou shalt not kill , mohhamed said kill everyone that is an infidel [non believer] i kinda think we should follow GODS advice, imagine how the world would be if we just followed that and thou shall not steal or covet thy neighbors wife ? if everyone just followed the ten commandments what would the world be like? almost heavenly!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Have you? (laughing) Attended or visited an actual, 1970's brand ACE school?

I asked a question ... do you always answer a question with a question?

For the record, yes, I attended an ACE school, though not in 1970.

Again, have you attended or visited an ACE school ... or are you just talking about something you personally haven't a clue about.

[Walks_in_islam]

For the record, so did I. So I guess I do know exactly what I am talking about after all don't I?

Originally Posted by n david

I asked a question ... do you always answer a question with a question?

For the record, yes, I attended an ACE school, though not in 1970.

Again, have you attended or visited an ACE school ... or are you just talking about something you personally haven't a clue about.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

For the record, so did I. So I guess I do know exactly what I am talking about after all don't I?

That remains to be seen.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

This is what fell apart. ACE schools were a slick all inclusive little design package. The classrooms were designed with the desks around the room, each facing the wall. There were dividers between the desks. Each student faced the back wall and did their work facing the back of their little isolation cube in perfect silence. Students set silly little "goals" for the day, the week, and those "goals" on those little "goalsheets" were the basis for the homework if any. The punishment systems were on a demerit basis. Talk - demerit. Turn around - demerit. The uniforms were red/white/blue. Boys wore ties every day. Even the uniforms were designed by ACE. There was no direct contact with other students in the classroom. Need teacher's help? Put up a little flag and the teacher would come by. Teachers didn't actually "teach", they spent most of the day "monitoring" the students to ensure that they were still, quiet, and working. Still and quiet, sadly, were more important than "working" or quality of the work. The teachers were even called "monitors" in that program. Cross that with Church 4x a week and how in the world can that upbringing not be ultra, ultra conservative? In any case, although the (original) ACE system turned out lots of little robot soldiers, the actual quality of the education left much to be desired. Whoever designed that system was actually kind of sick. THAT is what fell apart but not before so, so many organizations fell for it hook, line, and sinker. After all, still and quiet can't be bad, right? ACE was about control.

I'll just bullet-line this mess ... I graduated from an ACE school where I grew up and visited another one in Illinois while with relatives several times.

Demerits, you bet. I had the record for most demerits and detentions.

Uniforms ... standard navy pants, white or light blue shirt with a tie ... nothing weird about that. Unless you're just crazy and looking for some conspiracy. Quite a few schools use uniforms.

The whole idea of ACE wasn't control, as you state, it was helping the students create goals and attain those goals. It fostered the idea that if you had the drive, you could do what you wanted to do. Control? How can a system that encourages individual goals (instead of class-based goals) be about control.

I agree that you're a drama queen. A seriously mental one at that, judging from previous posts and your name.

Here's the thing, each ACE school was administrated differently. You talk about going to church 4x/week - not ours. We had a short Wednesday chapel service and that was it. We had sports and other electives the rest of the week.

Quality? While you may have experienced a lack of quality education, I doubt ACE is to blame.

Two from my school are pilots, the rest are either in the professional workplace or chuch ministry. None are robots. None had any trouble with secular schools accepting their credits. Several had higher test scores than their peers from public schools.

By the way ... I'm not an ultra conservative ... neither are more than half of the graduates of the ACE I attended.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Anyway, the point, which I feel was missed, was ultra, ultra conservative upbringing.

Yeah ... uhm, the point is you've taken your experience from one ACE school and are trying to apply that experience to all ACE schools.

Doesn't work.

[Walks_in_islam]

We were not talking about me or my upbringing at all. We were talking about someone else. We were not talking about me being ultra conservative, we were talking about someone else. We were not talking about your church schedule (or mine), we were talking about someone else's. You are also arguing with a study from a link I posted. Look up the author, call her a drama queen, and feel free to start an argument with her. Bully for you for making this somehow about you and your school and your life and your relatives and your friends and your opinions about what may or may not have been my quality of education, which in fact was not mentioned at all. Here's the link and the author - now by all means go have fun.

http://www.marshall.edu/etd/masters/...sa-2005-ma.pdf

Originally Posted by n david

That remains to be seen.


I'll just bullet-line this mess ... I graduated from an ACE school where I grew up and visited another one in Illinois while with relatives several times.

Demerits, you bet. I had the record for most demerits and detentions.

Uniforms ... standard navy pants, white or light blue shirt with a tie ... nothing weird about that. Unless you're just crazy and looking for some conspiracy. Quite a few schools use uniforms.

The whole idea of ACE wasn't control, as you state, it was helping the students create goals and attain those goals. It fostered the idea that if you had the drive, you could do what you wanted to do. Control? How can a system that encourages individual goals (instead of class-based goals) be about control.

I agree that you're a drama queen. A seriously mental one at that, judging from previous posts and your name.

Here's the thing, each ACE school was administrated differently. You talk about going to church 4x/week - not ours. We had a short Wednesday chapel service and that was it. We had sports and other electives the rest of the week.

Quality? While you may have experienced a lack of quality education, I doubt ACE is to blame.

Two from my school are pilots, the rest are either in the professional workplace or chuch ministry. None are robots. None had any trouble with secular schools accepting their credits. Several had higher test scores than their peers from public schools.

By the way ... I'm not an ultra conservative ... neither are more than half of the graduates of the ACE I attended.


Yeah ... uhm, the point is you've taken your experience from one ACE school and are trying to apply that experience to all ACE schools.

Doesn't work.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

We were not talking about me or my upbringing at all. We were talking about someone else. We were not talking about me being ultra conservative, we were talking about someone else. We were not talking about your church schedule (or mine), we were talking about someone else's. You are also arguing with a study from a link I posted. Look up the author, call her a drama queen, and feel free to start an argument with her. Bully for you for making this somehow about you and your school and your life and your relatives and your friends and your opinions about what may or may not have been my quality of education, which in fact was not mentioned at all. Here's the link and the author - now by all means go have fun.

Then what are you referencing below? Is this your experience, or excerpts of the thesis? From the way it's written, it's written as though it's based on your experience.

If it's quotes from the thesis, it should be noted as such.

Speaking of the thesis ... I stopped reading after this:

The purpose of this study was to determine if there is a significant difference in ACT scores between students in a West Virginian Christian School and the students at a local public high school.

Anyone see a problem with this thesis, and subsequently a problem with Marshall University for approving this, well, junk.

You can't base a study or thesis on one school alone. It's a flawed thesis and is only good to print out and use as toilet paper quite honestly.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

This is what fell apart. ACE schools were a slick all inclusive little design package. The classrooms were designed with the desks around the room, each facing the wall. There were dividers between the desks. Each student faced the back wall and did their work facing the back of their little isolation cube in perfect silence. Students set silly little "goals" for the day, the week, and those "goals" on those little "goalsheets" were the basis for the homework if any. The punishment systems were on a demerit basis. Talk - demerit. Turn around - demerit. The uniforms were red/white/blue. Boys wore ties every day. Even the uniforms were designed by ACE. There was no direct contact with other students in the classroom. Need teacher's help? Put up a little flag and the teacher would come by. Teachers didn't actually "teach", they spent most of the day "monitoring" the students to ensure that they were still, quiet, and working. Still and quiet, sadly, were more important than "working" or quality of the work. The teachers were even called "monitors" in that program. Cross that with Church 4x a week and how in the world can that upbringing not be ultra, ultra conservative? In any case, although the (original) ACE system turned out lots of little robot soldiers, the actual quality of the education left much to be desired. Whoever designed that system was actually kind of sick. THAT is what fell apart but not before so, so many organizations fell for it hook, line, and sinker. After all, still and quiet can't be bad, right? ACE was about control.

[StillStanding]

My youngest brother attended an ACE school for almost his entire K-12 experience. He scored very high on the ACT, graduated from Union University, and does very well financially in his job. I know of other ACE graduates that have also done very well.

My other brother attended the ACE school for his junior and senior years of HS. He scored great on the ACT, graduated from the University of Memphis, and is high up in management at First Tennessee Bank.

Me? I went to public school only. Did OK on the ACT, graduated from JCM, and now sell pianos!

[Walks_in_islam]

Excerpts from the thesis certainly match my experience. As noted way back, and confirmed based on the experience of others, both the teaching methods and the cirriculum were changed. I suspect that the subsequent improvements aka teachers I believe are actually expected to teach stuff (laughing - imagine that - it took years to figure that out?) resulted in a step change in the quality of the education as evidenced by the notes below.

Originally Posted by n david

Then what are you referencing below? Is this your experience, or excerpts of the thesis? From the way it's written, it's written as though it's based on your experience.

If it's quotes from the thesis, it should be noted as such.

Speaking of the thesis ... I stopped reading after this:



Anyone see a problem with this thesis, and subsequently a problem with Marshall University for approving this, well, junk.

You can't base a study or thesis on one school alone. It's a flawed thesis and is only good to print out and use as toilet paper quite honestly.

[Sister Alvear]

I think a lot depends on the set up and the person...I went to Christian school long before ACE existed and have done quite well in life..