Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[mfblume]

Aquila, I appreciate your diligence to be thorough over an issue, but it's like you read a book and copied and pasted the information that allegedly shows Law of God and Law of Moses are two different things, when reading The Old Testament they are shown to be one and the same thing.

Forget pigeonholes for "who" believes "what" label of a belief. We need to check the Bible and see what it says. Period.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Aquila, I appreciate your diligence to be thorough over an issue, but it's like you read a book and copied and pasted the information that allegedly shows Law of God and Law of Moses are two different things, when reading The Old Testament they are shown to be one and the same thing.

Forget pigeonholes for "who" believes "what" label of a belief. We need to check the Bible and see what it says. Period.

I'm talking about the Spirit's urging to obey God's Law and to abstain from sin.

[Aquila]

Reverend Blume,

I'll illustrate my point...

Can a married couple be "Christian swingers"?

If so, why?
If not, why not?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm talking about the Spirit's urging to obey God's Law and to abstain from sin.

The Spirit within causes us to do that without having us resort to a written law, though. That is Romans 6:13. That is having it written in our hearts. It's David's answered prayer for the Lord to CAUSE US to walk in his statutes. What the Spirit causes us to do without us having to resort to written law is what the written law urged! But we discover we do it without having known it may have been in law. This is how walking after the Spirit causes us to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Reverend Blume,

I'll illustrate my point...

Can a married couple be "Christian swingers"?

If so, why?
If not, why not?

I see you are not reading my posts. I answered this already in several posts.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The Spirit within causes us to do that without having us resort to a written law, though. That is Romans 6:13. That is having it written in our hearts. It's David's answered prayer for the Lord to CAUSE US to walk in his statutes. What the Spirit causes us to do without us having to resort to written law is what the written law urged! But we discover we do it without having known it may have been in law. This is how walking after the Spirit causes us to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

The scripture clearly tells us that he that loves God keeps his commandments 1 John 5:3, but if the Ten commandments be done away with, then what commandments are we to keep? should we then allow each denomination or pastor to create their own commandments?

The Ten Commandments are our guide and if we love God then we will keep his Ten Commandments 1 John 2:3

If we substract one of the commandments from the Law of God, then they are not longer 10 commandments but 9. The Sabbath is in the middle of the Ten commanmdents so it can not be separated from the other commandments. The Ten Coommandments is a package deal, they came bundled in two tables of stone and put inside the ark together.

The only commandments that God has directly given to us is the Ten commandments, for they were written by the finger of God, the rest of the law was not written by God himself, but was written by Moses.

If we love God then we will surely keep his Ten Commandments and that means keeping the Sabbath too.

Jesus did not came to destroy the law of God but to fulfill it. Since Jesus and the Apostles reconfirmed the Ten Commandments then it is obvious that they still stand.

Everywhere we see the Ten Commandments, they are separated from all the Jewish laws and rituals, you never see the Ten Commandments surrounded with all the extra Laws, so it is quite clear from standard practice that The Ten Commandments are seen as a complete set, which is apart from the Law of Moses.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The scripture clearly tells us that he that loves God keeps his commandments 1 John 5:3, but if the Ten commandments be done away with, then what commandments are we to keep? should we then allow each denomination or pastor to create their own commandments?

They're not done away with, though.

The Ten Commandments are our guide and if we love God then we will keep his Ten Commandments 1 John 2:3

If we substract one of the commandments from the Law of God, then they are not longer 10 commandments but 9. The Sabbath is in the middle of the Ten commanmdents so it can not be separated from the other commandments. The Ten Coommandments is a package deal, they came bundled in two tables of stone and put inside the ark together.

The sabbath is the 4th, between the first three (God's number) and the last 6 (man's number). It bridges the two. And, wonderfully enough, it is the ONLY ONE that was a shadow that is now embodied in Christ.

The only commandments that God has directly given to us is the Ten commandments, for they were written by the finger of God, the rest of the law was not written by God himself, but was written by Moses.

If we love God then we will surely keep his Ten Commandments and that means keeping the Sabbath too.

Instead of keeping the SHADOW of the actual sabbath, we keep the actual sabbath by resting in Christ. This is an eternal sabbath.

That does not mean we do not need a physical day, but it now no longer matters which day.

Jesus did not came to destroy the law of God but to fulfill it. Since Jesus and the Apostles reconfirmed the Ten Commandments then it is obvious that they still stand.

The law is not destroyed, BUT FULFILLED. Think of a sacrifice of animal blood that was fulfilled in Christ. Sabbath day was fulfilled in Christ as much as sacrifices in the OT were foreshadows of the real one, Christ.

Everywhere we see the Ten Commandments, they are separated from all the Jewish laws and rituals, you never see the Ten Commandments surrounded with all the extra Laws, so it is quite clear from standard practice that The Ten Commandments are seen as a complete set, which is apart from the Law of Moses.

The Ten are still here. Yet the fourth is special. It was a shadow of Christ! By resting in Christ, and ceasing from our own labours, we truly keep sabbath!

[FlamingZword]

Dear Bro Blume

You are indeed a slippery one.

We will have a hard time making a sabbatarian out of you. So I gues I will have to let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth, including the Revelation of the Sabbath.

I was not a sabbath believer for many years, I even preached against the Sabbath and keeping the Ten Commandments for I considered them Law. But the Lord eventually opened my eyes to keeping the Sabbath.

Let there be peace among Jesus name people.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

They're not done away with, though.

Bro Blume, Isn't the ten commandments what Paul was referring to in 2 Cor 3? and he said the Law written in stones was DONE AWAY with?

The Literal ten commandments of Exodus 20 are NOT binding on us today.
What it binding on us today is much GREATER than the 10 commandments.

For example:
Matt 5
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Jesus was quoting from the 10 commandments. He did not nullify them, but Jesus took it up to a higher level.
Under the "Law of God", it would be okay to lust in your heart as long as there is no physical act of adultery.
Under grace, lusting after another person is on the same LEVEL as committing the act itself.

So for those who wanna keep the 10 commandments, sorry, but Jesus calls us to a higher standard. Jesus was showing us the "real heart" of the 10 commandments.
So also, keeping the sabbath under the Law was taking that one day off from your daily activities and reflecting upon / resting in God.

Under grace, keeping the sabbath goes much higher than just setting aside one day out of the week. Under grace, we are to reflect upon God and rest in God EVERYDAY.

Under grace, there is NOTHING like sunday worship or saturday worship.
We worship God every day. We rest in God everyday. We keep the sabbath EVERYDAY.

Strictly speaking, the demands of Grace is much higher than that of the Law. But GRACE empowers to achieve while the Law just reveals your sinfulness.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The scripture clearly tells us that he that loves God keeps his commandments 1 John 5:3, but if the Ten commandments be done away with, then what commandments are we to keep? should we then allow each denomination or pastor to create their own commandments?

If we keep the ten commandments today, it would be okay for a Christian man to lust in his heart after a woman. But under grace, it would not be okay.

So what commandments are we to keep?

1 John 3
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

This is the commandment we are to keep today. If you keep the commands under grace, you will BE FULFILLING THE 10 commandments by default.