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[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Correct - because they are consistent.

What does that have to do with consistent or inconsistent?
Social drinking or real wine for communion?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

What does that have to do with consistent or inconsistent?
Social drinking or real wine for communion?

If they don't teach social drinking is okay, they don't use real wine for communion - - consistent.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

If they don't teach social drinking is okay, they don't use real wine for communion - - consistent.

or they teach the bible says we must abstain from alchol BUT use it or insist upon it in communion .

That makes little sense.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

or they teach the bible says we must abstain from alchol BUT use it or insist upon it in communion .

That makes little sense.

I think that's the heart of the problem ... if it's taught as a biblical prohibition and even transgression against God ... and fellowship withheld as the basis of one's personal conviction/interpretation.

This goes to the biblical priniciples taught in Romans 14.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

If they don't teach social drinking is okay, they don't use real wine for communion - - consistent.

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get it.

They don't teach alcohol abstinence on the grounds of biblical prohibition, but on the grounds of being prudent and wise.

If alcohol itself isn't evil, I don't see social drinking and communion wine sharing much in common.

[Jeffrey]

Does anyone have the link to Sherri's church's teaching on the alcohol issue?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get it.

They don't teach alcohol abstinence on the grounds of biblical prohibition, but on the grounds of being prudent and wise.

If alcohol itself isn't evil, I don't see social drinking and communion wine sharing much in common.

Maybe I'm the dense one on this.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get it.

They don't teach alcohol abstinence on the grounds of biblical prohibition, but on the grounds of being prudent and wise.

If alcohol itself isn't evil, I don't see social drinking and communion wine sharing much in common.

I think that there is a "consistent" approach to abstaining from alcohol in general but using real wine in the sacrament. It just depends how you approach the subject.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jasites

I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:9-10)

Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. (NIV, 1 Peter 3:2-5)

Any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head disgraces his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflection of man. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 11:4-7)

In my opinion, the verses in 1 Timothy say that the beauty is not from the outward adornment such as hair styles, jewelry, clothing etc but from a moderate spirit.

In my opinion, the 1 Peter passage does not condemn styling the hair, wearing jewelry or wearing clothing/apparel, but emphasizes like Paul that the real adorning is from the spirit within.

In my opinion, the 1 Corinthians passage is admonishing women to wear the veil because at that time and in that culture, it was considered immodest for a woman to appear in public unveiled. There is also a prohibition to cross dress and join in the sexual orgies which were common in that place at that time.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Church Drop-Out: Overcoming the Youth Exodus
Join us this evening for this free video Simulcast on the Web and the AFR radio network.
01/19/2010

Here's a reminder about an important radio/Internet simulcast coming up tonight on AFR and www.afa.net. It deals with something close to our hearts as parents. In communities all across our land, there's a problem of young people dropping out of church. As a matter of fact, three out of four Christian teens walk away from church after they leave home.

Sincerely,

Tim Wildmon, President
American Family Association

It is true that many young people of every denomination are walking away. I think it is because we (all of Christianity) have turned Jesus into a religion rather than a relationship.