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12-07-2008, 09:18 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I did mention that above, but the "if you are not disrupting" part is subjective - especially to Pentecostals who may argue backflips and other spastic eruptions are "in order".
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Now you are deviating a bit. LOL!
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12-07-2008, 09:20 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Have you heard Sis. Freeman or seen her on DVD?
She often rejoices and speaks with tongues several times in her sermons.
But, who would try to silence her and say she's out of order?
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Not sure Sam, that we should let our personal experiences or preferences outwiegh the word of God.
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12-07-2008, 09:22 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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As a Pentecostal we may (or not) agree, but what about Paul's instruction concerning the unlearned then? Is it applied as an option only?
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If everyone is babbling away with no order the "unlearned" in the operation of the Spirit would feel confused. It would only stand to reason, IMO.
It seems the Church of Corinth was focusing more on the gifts than the Giver. Also in Chapter 13 Paul is turning their attention to the "heart" and how important that it is to "love" as the gift is nothing without it.
Lots going on in Corinth.
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12-07-2008, 09:23 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Now you are deviating a bit. LOL!
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Oh but seriously, don't you think a group from a Rodney Howard Brown meeting or a group from a 150 decibel head-bangin Youth Convention is going to have a different view than someone off the streets of Corinth? 
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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12-07-2008, 09:25 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Oh but seriously, don't you think a group from a Rodney Howard Brown meeting or a group from a 150 decibel head-bangin Youth Convention is going to have a different view than someone off the streets of Corinth? |
LOL! I don't even know who Rodney Howard Brown is.
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12-07-2008, 09:28 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
If everyone is babbling away with no order the "unlearned" in the operation of the Spirit would feel confused. It would only stand to reason, IMO.
It seems the Church of Corinth was focusing more on the gifts than the Giver. Also in Chapter 13 Paul is turning their attention to the "heart" and how important that is to "love" as the gift is nothing without it.
Lots going on in Corinth.
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I keep reading posts like this one and think I agree... unless you are then implying that we are somehow exempt of the instruction Paul gave to the Corinthians on tongues because they also had other issues...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-07-2008, 09:34 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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I keep reading posts like this one and think I agree... unless you are then implying that we are somehow exempt of the instruction Paul gave to the Corinthians on tongues because they also had other issues...
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I don't think they had other issues. They had a conglomerate of people like we do - some filled with pride, some wanting to fit in, some wanting attention and some just needing instruction. Not much different than today, IMO.
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12-07-2008, 09:37 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
LOL! I don't even know who Rodney Howard Brown is.
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And now you know...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?q=&rls=...ox-a&channel=s
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-07-2008, 10:17 PM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
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Thanks for the link. LOL! I was on the phone and so I watched the clip and didn't listen to it.
My opinion is that we would do well not to dwell on what other people are doing, but on who we are and what God has called us to do and be.
We can't allow people who follow, like the Latter Rain era, their own misguided way, for whatever reason it may be, and let it bottle up the wonderful things we could be doing for God.
I don't dwell on those things. I don't dwell on them when they are discussed on this forum.
What I do know is this - when God's Spirit moves and we move with it - things change, people change and life is good. I don't want to focus on anything but that. The spiritual gifts being carried out is the most awesome thing I have ever known and experienced - I want to be in a Spirit filled assembly.
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12-08-2008, 12:21 AM
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Re: Pitfalls in Solely Relying on Acts for doctrin
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Originally Posted by DaveC519
What is the difference between "private tongues" and the "gift of tongues"? It is the difference and diversity of the administration and operation of the Spirit of God (see above).
For example: a person can be in the church service, praying in tongues privately unto God. This same person can also possess the gift of tongues, but this is not what we are referring to now. However, if the operation of the Spirit changes, and the direction of the Spirit leads for an opening in the service whereby tongues and interpretation will go forth, then this same person, who before was speaking in tongues privately, would now be directed to broadcast a message in tongues (perhaps even the exact same words!) to the entire assembly. This then would be followed by an interpretation, and usually in courses of two or three.
If we keep this in mind, chapter 14 comes in to closer focus and better understanding. "Personal tongues" is us (the individual) speaking unto God. The "gift of tongues" is God speaking unto us, the Church. 
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Yes, thanks, you did answer my question, but I disagree with your assessment. It's just a minor point but I read the whole of 1 Cor 12-14 as being about the gifts of the Spirit. And someone with the gift of tongues can speak in tongues in prayer to God silently or give a message to the entire congregation if that is how the Spirit moves. If a believer doesn't have the gift of tongues, then they don't speak in tongues in prayer or to the congregation.
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
In context, Paul is speaking of the gift of tongues and he doesn't differentiate between someone speaking in tongues in prayer or to the congregation with the anticipation of an interpretation. And to top it off, Paul states that he wishes everyone spoke in tongues but he would prefer above everyone having the gift of tongues for them to have the gift of prophecy that the whole church would be edified because they would all understand what was being said and would not need an interpreter.
We may have to agree to disagree on this one.
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