Bott 2020

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Evangelist (I know) and his wife were so proud to have Sis. Vesta Mangun prayed over them and pass the mantle to them (whatever that means). His wife is gunho on her newly found “ministry”.

Oh wow! I will pray for them!

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Oh wow! I will pray for them!

It’s too late they already of the mantle

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by consapente89

I would find it difficult trusting the judgment of anyone attending BOTT...

Because why?

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Because why?

Probably because it sounds like a circus

[diakonos]

Vesta Mangun passed on her mantle? Where will she hang the Christmas stockings?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Vesta Mangun passed on her mantle? Where will she hang the Christmas stockings?

Too funny.

On another note. Does this mean VM is no longer a leader?

If she has truly passed on the mantle, there are other things besides Christmas stockings involved.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Barb

Yesterday morning I spoke with one of the elders from our church who was there. I told him about the discussion here, and he told me his impression of that forum was nothing like what we have heard... in his opinion.

He said he is going to loan me the DVD so I may judge it for myself...

Wise move.

Originally Posted by Barb

One more thing re the song... the elder said that one would have had to be in that service to understand why Brother Mangun asked Sister Mangun to sing it...

I know that still won't fit with the opinions of those who were not present or who may have any argument with the song, but I trust the judgment of the elder.

But doesn't anyone really appreciate why we have a problem with the song?
With all the great songwriters and music we have in Pentecost why go use that song? I can't believe I can fly, I can't believe I can touch the sky. I can do nothing unless Christ Jesus strengthens me. R Kelly's song is about me myself and I. Yet, the "I" will ascend into heaven, "I" will exalt my throne above the stars of God: "I" will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: "I" will ascend above the heights of the clouds; "I" will be like the most High. There is no I, there is only He. Please understand where I'm at with this, I wasn't there. I haven't the slightest idea how all this came down. I am hearing that Sister sought God, and tried to get healed, but push through the press to touch the hem of Sigmund's Freud's garment and was made whole? Everyone applauded because she was being transparent? Honest? I'm just not encouraged, I feel no encouragement in that. All I keep thinking about is the woman with the issue of blood who sought the physicians who could bring her no releaf. Yet, she knew that Christ was the only one. If she made the effort all she had to do is touch the smallest part of His cloak. That is my hope, that is my only hope, that if I press through I can be made whole. I believe Him, I trust Him, I know He will do what needs to be done. While the devil screams on the outside that I should not retain my integrity, that I should just give up, and die. But Jesus thinks that is foolish speech. But encourages me to press on and move forward. Again, I have never heard this woman's testimony, don't know why everyone stood up like seals waiting for fish to be thrown. I can't believe what I heard about all of this, because if it went down the way it went down, then I'm in need of some heavy explanations.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Too funny.

On another note. Does this mean VM is no longer a leader?

If she has truly passed on the mantle, there are other things besides Christmas stockings involved.

That's a very good point.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by consapente89

I would find it difficult trusting the judgment of anyone attending BOTT...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as well as being entitled to be wrong.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But doesn't anyone really appreciate why we have a problem with the song?
With all the great songwriters and music we have in Pentecost why go use that song? I can't believe I can fly, I can't believe I can touch the sky. I can do nothing unless Christ Jesus strengthens me. R Kelly's song is about me myself and I. Yet, the "I" will ascend into heaven, "I" will exalt my throne above the stars of God: "I" will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: "I" will ascend above the heights of the clouds; "I" will be like the most High. There is no I, there is only He.

This is a great post. I mostly had an issue with the person who made the song popular, but lyricist aside, just the lyrics are enough to question why it would be sung in church.

"""I used to think that I could not go on
And life was nothing but an awful song
But now I know the meaning of true love
I'm leaning on the everlasting arms

If I can see it, then I can do it
If I just believe it, there's nothing to it

I believe I can fly
I believe I can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day (Night and day)
Spread my wings and fly away
I believe I can soar
I see me running through that open door
I believe I can fly
I believe I can fly
I believe I can fly hoo

See I was on the verge of breaking down
Sometimes silence can seem so loud
There are miracles in life I must achieve
But first I know it starts inside of me, ho oh

If I can see it hoo, then I can be it
If I just believe it, there's nothing to it"""

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Please understand where I'm at with this, I wasn't there. I haven't the slightest idea how all this came down. I am hearing that Sister sought God, and tried to get healed, but push through the press to touch the hem of Sigmund's Freud's garment and was made whole? Everyone applauded because she was being transparent? Honest? I'm just not encouraged, I feel no encouragement in that. All I keep thinking about is the woman with the issue of blood who sought the physicians who could bring her no releaf. Yet, she knew that Christ was the only one. If she made the effort all she had to do is touch the smallest part of His cloak. That is my hope, that is my only hope, that if I press through I can be made whole. I believe Him, I trust Him, I know He will do what needs to be done. While the devil screams on the outside that I should not retain my integrity, that I should just give up, and die. But Jesus thinks that is foolish speech. But encourages me to press on and move forward. Again, I have never heard this woman's testimony, don't know why everyone stood up like seals waiting for fish to be thrown. I can't believe what I heard about all of this, because if it went down the way it went down, then I'm in need of some heavy explanations.

I too am really hoping this isn't how it was presented on AFF. I cannot imagine Apostolics applauding or giving a standing ovation in support of psychological therapy or secular counseling.

It turns on its head everything I've been taught as an Apostolic.

My hope is in Jesus. My confidence is in Jesus. My trust is in Jesus. Everything is in Him, through Him, by Him, from Him.

I just can't imagine it as reported on here...