End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Walter Bauer would agree with you. He did not believe in women in ministry and that bias is seen in his Dictionary.

Other than the odd wording if 1 Tim. 2:10, the NT does not prohibit women in ministry.

Who said women can't participate in ministry? That is where you've gotten mixed up. This discussion is not about ministry, it is about headship, and leadership.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Gal.3:28 there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus,

This scripture shows us there is no gender distinction in the church.

I realize that the Bible says that there are neither male nor female in Christ (Galatians 3:28). But when one reads Galatians 3 in context, they find that Paul is speaking about all people - Jew and Greek, bond and free, male and female – who put on Christ, have equal access to God’s promise. This same theme is mentioned in many of Paul’s epistles (See Galatians 5:6; Romans 1:16, Romans 2:9-10, Romans 3:29-30, Romans 4:11-12, Romans 9:24, Romans 10:12-15; 1 Corinthians 7:19; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 3:5-10; Colossians 3:11).

To make this lone passage in Galatians 3 the standard for biblical eldership, one would have to take its wording out of context and ignore numerous passages, which define a man and woman’s role in ministry differently than does Galatians 3:28. Such measures always lead to error and false doctrine.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Walter Bauer would agree with you. He did not believe in women in ministry and that bias is seen in his Dictionary.

Other than the odd wording if 1 Tim. 2:10, the NT does not prohibit women in ministry.

In Gal.3:28, men did not stop becoming men and Greeks did not become Jews. Who they were, their social status, did not have any impact on their place in the body of believers.

Is 1st Timothy 2:9-11 odd because you yourself are biased yet in the other direction?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Walter Bauer would agree with you. He did not believe in women in ministry and that bias is seen in his Dictionary.

Other than the odd wording if 1 Tim. 2:10, the NT does not prohibit women in ministry.

In Gal.3:28, men did not stop becoming men and Greeks did not become Jews. Who they were, their social status, did not have any impact on their place in the body of believers.

*Nothing "odd" about it at all (BTW, it's I Tim. 2.11-14) - it is crystal-clear instructions to the church. What's "odd" is why folks fight it so hard. And, no, I Timothy 2 is not at ALL the "only passage" that forbids this. I Corinthians 14.34 is plan to a 6 yr. old. Shall I start posting the lexical data on the infitive verb translated "to speak" (λαλειν)? It is translated "preach" numerous times.

*No, Bauer did not have a "bias" against women in the "ministry" - he was probably the most astute linguist of the last several generations. It is simply a textual & biblical fact...& that's what he annotated - the linguistic facts.

*Again, I have much-much-much more lexical data on this issue - shall I begin ?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by rdp

*Nothing "odd" about it at all (BTW, it's I Tim. 2.11-14) - it is crystal-clear instructions to the church. What's "odd" is why folks fight it so hard. And, no, I Timothy 2 is not at ALL the "only passage" that forbids this. I Corinthians 14.34 is plan to a 6 yr. old. Shall I start posting the lexical data on the infitive verb translated "to speak" (λαλειν)? It is translated "preach" numerous times.

*No, Bauer did not have a "bias" against women in the "ministry" - he was probably the most astute linguist of the last several generations. It is simply a textual & biblical fact...& that's what he annotated - the linguistic facts.

*Again, I have much-much-much more lexical data on this issue - shall I begin ?

Yes, please do!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by rdp

*Again, I have much-much-much more lexical data on this issue - shall I begin ?

Brother, please proceed.

[good samaritan]

IMO, Women should focus their ministry at home and with their families.

1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

For me the greatest witness is to see christian marriages operating well. With divorce rates as high as they are and the power struggles within homes it is a breath of fresh air to see godly women in operation. I really never have been allured to female speakers (no offence), but I have been impressed by the sweet Spirit that some ladies portray. When someone that is a sinner sees christian families who the wife is a sweet and submitted person, and who does not voice over their husband it is the one of the greatest witnessing tools.

I personally believe that a lady who seeks male roles in the church has a heart problem, but the indictment is against the church and other leaders who would appoint a female to that role. It is sad when there are not godly men who can lead and it is women are having to fill those roles.

The biggest ministry a lady can have is the ministry that God has called her to. I think many defend ladies in ministry more so because it has become so prominent in our culture. Many churches are depending on these ladies leading because of the lack of men who are near to God and His word. I do not mean to judge ladies who are preaching in the ministry. I think if men have strong christian voices in their churches and communities ladies will not find leader roles so available to them.

I don't hear church government taught and spefifications for it taught so many men and ladies view other ladies doing and get the idea that is Gods' plan.

[Scott Pitta]

I do not have Greek questions.

What does "she must remain silent" mean ?

What does "women will be saved through childbearing" mean ????

What is the relationship between being silent in church and child bearing ??

[Scott Pitta]

If women are prohibited from ministry, why is it only mentioned once in the NT ?? Paul says they can prophecy and teach (Titus 2:3).

If women are to "remain silent" they cannot prophecy or teach. Since Paul is clear about women prophesying and teaching, 1 Tim. 2:10 cannot be a prohibition from women speaking in church.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I do not have Greek questions.

What does "she must remain silent" mean ?

What does "women will be saved through childbearing" mean ????

What is the relationship between being silent in church and child bearing ??

1 Timothy 2:9-15 AMP
(9) Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,
(10) But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God.
(11) Let a woman learn in quietness, in entire submissiveness.
(12) I allow no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to remain in quietness and keep silence [in religious assemblies].
(13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve; [Gen. 2:7, 21, 22.]
(14) And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression. [Gen. 3:1-6.]
(15) Nevertheless [the sentence put upon women of pain in motherhood does not hinder their souls' salvation, and] they will be saved [eternally] if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self-control, [saved indeed] through the Childbearing or by the birth of the divine Child.