Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 26

Michael Phelps · #**251** 07-09-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Coffee?

According to The Mrs, coffee makes you do stupid things faster and with more energy!

Nahum · #**252** 07-09-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Coffee?

I think it can be sinful.

Notice I said ANY substance that controls our moods and actions?

I think energy drinks fall in the same category.

COOPER · #**253** 07-09-2008, 02:00 PM

Tobacky is a wacky thang.

Some folks can not get away from it no matter how hard they try.

But then....there are many other ways to defile the body.

Jesus said it's not what enters a man, but that which comes out is what defiles him.

DividedThigh · #**254** 07-09-2008, 02:01 PM

hey they allready took my sugar and salt , leave me something, lol

Rico · #**255** 07-09-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Smoking is not the same as over-eating.

People have to eat, and struggle with portions and genetics.

Nobody has to smoke.

Smoking hurts the smoker, the people around him, and is a horrible example for all.

Addiction is chemical, biological and spiritual.

Any substance that is addicting, and controls your moods and actions is sinful.

That means coffee, soda, and tea are a sin for Christians to drink. God forbid a Christian be found with that abominable drug caffeine, a known stimulant in the same family as nicotine, in their body.

COOPER · #**256** 07-09-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

hey they already took my sugar and salt , leave me something, lol

Don't drink the water!

Watch out for them killer tomatoes too.

DividedThigh · #**257** 07-09-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

According to The Mrs, coffee makes you do stupid things faster and with more energy!

amen bro, i have been coffeeless since receiving the hg, 36 yrs ago, lol

MikeinAR · #**258** 07-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Or as is often the case someone told them it was a sin and so they tried to quit, not so much a case of conscience but peer pressure. Peer pressure can be positive but don't make it equal to conscience. Here is a perfect example.

While Mr. Spurgeon was living at Nightingale Lane, Clapham, an excursion was one day organised by one of the young men's classes at the Tabernacle. The brake with the excursionists was to call for the President on their way to mid-Surrey.
It was a beautiful early morning, and the men arrived in high spirits, pipes and cigars alight, and looking forward to a day of unrestrained enjoyment. Mr. Spurgeon was ready waiting at the gate. He jumped up to the box-seat reserved for him, and looking round with an expression of astonishment, exclaimed: "What, gentlemen! Are you not ashamed to be smoking so early?"
Here was a damper! Dismay was on every face. Pipes and cigars one by one failed and dropped out of sight.
When all had disappeared, out came the President's cigar-case. He lit up and smoked away serenely.
The men looked at him astonished. "I thought you said you objected to smoking, Mr. Spurgeon?" one ventured.
"Oh no, I did not say I objected. I asked if they were not ashamed, and it appears they were, for they have all put their pipes away."
Amid laughter the pipes reappeared, and with puffs of smoke the party went on merrily.

http://www.spurgeon.org/misc/cigars.htm

Yeah, but Baron that's only Spurgeon!!! The good elder Epley has already stated that anyone who smokes cigarettes is most definiteably bound for eternal hell. The issue is closed for discussion my friend.

Rico · #**259** 07-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Seems like everything has to be a heaven or hell issue to do what God considers best. Then we ignore God's will for you in food and all you hear is "don't make a law out of it" Then send everyone else to hell for any other type of addiction. AT LEAST BE CONSISTENT!

I know you ain't talkin to me. I don't think eating pork or smoking is a sin.

Nahum · #**260** 07-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Why is it stupid? It points to inconsistancy of many denoms.
According to Dr. Mercola in his view one french fry is bad as one cigarette for your health. Not sure if he is right or wrong but to say that does not make you sit back and adjust your view to food I really don't know what will.

Let's send the smoker to hell but slice up ol porky over here and use every inch of it's body which God clearly pointed out as unclean and an adomination unto you.

Again, people have to eat or they will die.

Some people have trouble curbing their lust for food. That is sinful.

Other people simply have genetic predispositions that make them heavier.

Cigarettes, marijuana and crack are not substances necessary to live.

They are developed as mood or mnind-altering drugs. They have led to the destruction of many individuals and their families.

It amazes me that some of you will promote these behaviors as healthy and perfectly normal Christian behaviors.