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10-29-2007, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Sure. But there are times when it is worse than others, and our culture seems to be one of indulgence, more so than in eras past, and more than other parts of the world. The laxness and immorality of societies seems to ebb and flow by times, and this seems to be one of those "flow" times.
Anyway...I'll take your explanation and raise you...if its a humanity issue, then don't we have to address it a bit more firmly? Instead of making allowances for our humanity? If humanity in general has a problem being self-disciplined enough to practice moderation, then aren't we treading on dangerous ground when we ask for moderation?
You seem to be contradicting yourself, stating on one hand overindulgence is a humanity issue, and then on the flip side implying that Europeans, "wine drinkers", are not indulgent? If it is indeed a humanity issue, then all cultures deal with it.
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And you still fail to understand drinking in moderation is a biblical principle.
We can flip this one a million ways .... whether it's not your conviction or not ....
It's permissible under any context or historical era.
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10-29-2007, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Cooper, you need a brain transplant.
Do you know how many daddies abuse their kids when they are a little "buzzed," or "tipsy?"
Do you know how many innocents are killed on the highways each year by people who are a little "buzzed," or 'tipsy?"
How many men and women commit adultery because they got a little too tipsy?
Buzzed or tipsy implies cognitive impairment Cooper.
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Oh no here I am in complete agreement with PP.
I have saw first hand what alcohol can do. I had three great uncles and their lives were destroyed by alcohol.
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10-29-2007, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Clearly you sought to make us believe ... with your intro ....
That somehow tipsy denotes our modern definition. Strong was clear when we read his ENTIRE DEFINITION.
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I didn't seek to "make you believe" anything, Daniel, and I resent the implication. I purposely included the entire definition. If I were practicing subterfuge, I would have only included the word I found most interesting. Instead, I provided a complete definition of the word.
I was equally clear. I said, "drunkard" means: and then I posted the definition.
And as to your point...you can't exclude "tipsy" from the definition, simply because of usage. The contextual meaning would still remain intact, even in a different part of speech.
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abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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10-29-2007, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
And you still fail to understand drinking in moderation is a biblical principle.
We flip this one a million ways .... whether it's not your conviction or not ....
It's permissible under any context.
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No, drinking in moderation is a biblical ALLOWANCE. Biblical PRINCIPLE advises otherwise, in several spots.
It also allows polygamy, except for bishops. But wouldn't you agree that Biblical PRINCIPLE points us in the direction of a single spouse?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-29-2007, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
No, drinking in moderation is a biblical ALLOWANCE. Biblical PRINCIPLE advises otherwise, in several spots.
It also allows polygamy, except for bishops. But wouldn't you agree that Biblical PRINCIPLE points us in the direction of a single spouse?
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More obfuscation and semantical play..... One is clearly defined by Jesus [single spouse marriage] ... the other is celebrated by him and practiced by him ..... by his disciples ... early Christian Jews and Gentiles .... cross-culturally - throughout the NT.
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10-29-2007, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
More obfuscation and semantical play..... One is clearly defined by Jesus [single marriage] ... the other is celebrated by him and practiced by him ..... by his disciples ... Christian Jews and Gentiles .... cross-culturally.
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*sigh*
There really is no need for you to characterize anyone's post, as if you know their underlying motive, when of course you don't.
I suppose the only examples and allegories allowed are the ones you employ to prove your points...LOL!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-29-2007, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Ya know what? For a minute or two, I was flamen mad when this all started -a few hours ago now, but I was quickly checked. Like I also said, this is a sensitive subject, and I don't want to go mid-evil on anyone who experienced the death of a loved one from a drunk driver. Although there may be anger issues (as I see there are), I'm not going to add to them.
It would be no different then taking part in a thread on guns where I talked about target practicing and having someone go all nutz about it. (Because they had an unfortunate accident in the home involving a loaded weapon that was found by a youngster.)
I may "be right" but would be wrong for arguing.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
It's obvious that hurts rooted in alcoholism and the abuse of alcohol is what is clouding this discussion ... but as always the moral high ground has led to more bloodshed.
The heart of the issue.
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STILL THE HEART OF THIS ISSUE.
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10-29-2007, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Ya know what? For a minute or two, I was flamen mad when this all started -a few hours ago now, but I was quickly checked. Like I also said, this is a sensitive subject, and I don't want to go mid-evil on anyone who experienced the death of a loved one from a drunk driver. Although there may be anger issues (as I see there are), I'm not going to add to them.
It would be no different then taking part in a thread on guns where I talked about target practicing and having someone go all nutz about it. (Because they had an unfortunate accident in the home involving a loaded weapon that was found by a youngster.)
I may "be right" but would be wrong for arguing.
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RW, I missed this post, until Daniel reposted it...sorry...I do appreciate your attitude in this post.
Daniel, on the other hand, has none of your sweetness, and is, in fact, quite sour. 
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-29-2007, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
RW, I missed this post, until Daniel reposted it...sorry...I do appreciate your attitude in this post.
Daniel, on the other hand, has none of your sweetness, and is, in fact, quite sour. |
Dour Apostolic Women have that affect on me *wink*.... 
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10-29-2007, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
RW, I missed this post, until Daniel reposted it...sorry...I do appreciate your attitude in this post.
Daniel, on the other hand, has none of your sweetness, and is, in fact, quite sour. |
Thank you. That is kind to say. And... it basically sums up everything for me as well as letting everyone I harbor no ill feelings.....
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