IT is the Holy Ghost!

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Once again, the ONLY reason why anything is called a "HE" is to modify the MASCULINE noun with a masculine pronoun. The word Church from the greek is a feminine word and if it takes a pronoun that pronoun would be feminine also. Does that mean they intentionally meant to say we are all women?

Of course not. The ONLY time the word Spirit is used with the word HIM, in the greek, is when the masculine pronoun is used to modify the antecedent comforter because comforter is a masculine noun. The authors and speakers were just grammatically correct and this has nothing to do with theology.

In fact never EVER that I can find in the gospels is a pronoun even used with the word pneuma, except in John 14 like we talked about and then it refers to the antecedent comforter. In agreement with that is one of the worlds best known greek scholar Daniel Wallace

Something interesting though that Trinitarians seem to over look. Jesus said "I in my FAther and you in me and I in you"...why does he leave out the third person of the Trinity?

BTW HOW is he in the Father, we in Him and He in us? It's through the Spirit which is what the context is abouit.

And in the OT ... you seem to be omitting the OT saints ...

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Uh...it was not until a LONG time later that this superstition became the norm. Yes they did say and write it...we need only look to the OT where we have examples of them saying the name. However they were told NOT to take the NAME in vain and never told NOT to refer to Spirit as a neuter gender it or feminine she. Spirit is generally a neuter gender word, in our language. It's neutral and we are talking about translations INTO our language

and other translations, the NIV and NAS, which I provided, are consistent in harmonizing the fact that God is referred to as He throughout scripture ... not an it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I hope youir house has no mirrors in them then

I actually have 27 mirrors in my house, thus far.

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Originally Posted by deseret

God is male. If not, He can not be our FATHER.

There is some common sense in this post.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

and other translations, the NIV and NAS, which I provided, are consistent in harmonizing the fact that God is referred to as He throughout scripture ... not an it.

That's nice Dan you have your translations you like. So how does that interact with what I said? Spirit, in the OT, is usually a feminine word. Spirit in the NT is a neuter word. If either of them were to take a corresponding pronoun, it would be feminine and neuter respectively

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I actually have 27 mirrors in my house, thus far.

Wow...can you say EGO?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow...can you say EGO?

Whatevah!

So, I love mirrors. They bring in and reflect more light. I like that.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's nice Dan you have your translations you like. So how does that interact with what I said? Spirit, in the OT, is usually a feminine word. Spirit in the NT is a neuter word. If either of them were to take a corresponding pronoun, it would be feminine and neuter respectively

Once again the gender in language is irrelevant ...

I provided the example for preacher in Ecclesiastes ... as a hebrew word it is feminine ... but of course in reality the preacher we can infer is male.

The error being made here is that by assigning the gender provided by a particular language you can lose the context ... God, the Lord, Jesus, the Holy Spirit has alway been a HE .. not an it ... or she ... the KJV translators dropped the ball.

[Praxeas]

Do you all take this verse literally to mean God flies through the air on the back of an angel?
2Sa 22:11 And He rode upon a cherub and did fly. And He was seen upon the wings of the wind.

Kings have breasts to suck on?
Isa 60:16 You will also suck the milk of nations, and suck the breast of kings; and you will know that I Jehovah am your Savior and your Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Jerusalem is a woman?
Isa 66:10 Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all who love her. Rejoice for joy with her, all who mourn for her;
Isa 66:11 that you may suck and be satisfied with her comforting breasts; that you may milk out and be delighted with the fullness of her glory.
Isa 66:12 For so says Jehovah, Behold, I will hold out peace to her like a river, and the glory of the nations like a flowing stream. Then you will suck, you will be carried on her sides and be dandled upon her knees.

Wow. There is wisdom in that....Jerusalem must be a female city, how else can they suck milk...

You guys are beginning to disappoint me

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Do you all take this verse literally to mean God flies through the air on the back of an angel?
2Sa 22:11 And He rode upon a cherub and did fly. And He was seen upon the wings of the wind.

Kings have breasts to suck on?
Isa 60:16 You will also suck the milk of nations, and suck the breast of kings; and you will know that I Jehovah am your Savior and your Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Jerusalem is a woman?
Isa 66:10 Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all who love her. Rejoice for joy with her, all who mourn for her;
Isa 66:11 that you may suck and be satisfied with her comforting breasts; that you may milk out and be delighted with the fullness of her glory.
Isa 66:12 For so says Jehovah, Behold, I will hold out peace to her like a river, and the glory of the nations like a flowing stream. Then you will suck, you will be carried on her sides and be dandled upon her knees.

Wow. There is wisdom in that....Jerusalem must be a female city, how else can they suck milk...

You guys are beginning to disappoint me

You are confusing metaphors for prose ... Prax ... you have disappointing me w/ this post