Billy Graham - Page 25

Amanah · #**241** 03-01-2018, 04:47 PM

freaky stuff, people are saying BG's death is a sign of the rapture

Aquila · #**242** 03-01-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

In Chris' world God can change His mind and give certain people a backstage pass to heaven. It's like when people win concert tickets on the radio contest...

I'm not here to say what God will do or will not do.

I am saying that regarding those of traditional or a rudimentary faith in Christ, it's best to commend their souls to God, and allow Him to judge as he sees fit. Because...He's going to do so whether you, me, or anyone else likes it or not. He's the judge of the the whole earth.

If one wishes to know how be saved, we preach the fullness of Acts 2:38. There is no assurance outside of this message.

Evang.Benincasa · #**243** 03-01-2018, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Where did anyone add any assured exit ramp outside of Acts 2:38?

You. By claiming that anyone outside of Biblical soteriology has the possibility of entering in without Acts 2:38.

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So, all souls aren't in God's hands?

You see that failure to make yourself clear you continue to ask stupid questions. Which when answered in the affirmative doesn't prove your case. All souls are in God's hands still doesn't mean all souls are saved, or all souls are lost, or all souls have the possibility of entering into heaven outside of Biblical eschatology. Sri Rama Krishna has a possibility, he believed that Jesus was God, also Moses David Berg also the same. The possibilities are endless, because after all these people are saved not by book, chapter, and verse, but strictly by their good deeds. Also another interesting note you believe in praying for the dead. Sorry, but if a tree falls to the south or to the north, in the place where the tree falls, there it will lie. That simple. Those who missed the Ark drowned. Was was God's celestial roulette wheel for them?

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Poor God... it must have been boring for the angels, sitting there for about 1,800 years, with no one walking through those pearly gates. I bet they felt like celestial Maytag repairmen.

You still haven't hammered out your doctrine with scripture. 1 Corinthians 5:11-12 has nothing to do with God deciding whether or not to let John Chrysostom or Martin Luther into heaven. Romans is talking about the covenant and the choice to Jacob. Not that God will have mercy on anyone outside of His covenant.

Evang.Benincasa · #**244** 03-01-2018, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So you mean, "Total rulership and authority". Is that an absolute and total rulership and authority, or is it conditional?

Does God have the Sovereign authority to do as He desires... even if we don't understand how, why, or the criteria of His choices?

Do you understand that God makes promises and keeps them?

Sovereignty of God doesn't negate His Word, and Law.

Evang.Benincasa · #**245** 03-01-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

In explaining God's Sovereignty, I've often said this...

If you took a gun and blew the head off of an individual because he offended you... is that murder?

The answer is typically, "Yes." And, that is correct.

But if God takes a lightening bolt and blows the head off an individual because he offended God... is that murder?

And the answer is of course a, "No." And, that is correct.

God is sovereign. He can do things that we are not permitted to do. He can make decisions we are not authorized to make. He can choose to do things in accordance to His divine will and secret eternal counsel... that defy what we think He should be doing.

God is God.

And by commending the souls of those who only had a traditional or rudimentary faith in Christ to God... we allow God to judge as He so pleases, trusting that the judge of all the earth will always do right regardless of what He chooses to do.

Chris, you believe God randomly kills people for absolutely no reason?

Please, keep telling us what you really believe.

Aquila · #**246** 03-01-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

I came upon this by chance, its very odd

A company of people, hidden in God, standing in the courts of pharaoh, confronting the spirits of this world...a people who have been hidden for maybe 2000 years?

That is strange. Is this guy talking about...Apostolics? Lol

I guess we'll just have to see.

What I do know is that back in the day (maybe 1998), I was in a preservice prayer meeting, praying for an endtime revival to sweep the Apostolic church. And the LORD spoke to me through the Spirit saying, "My people, who are called by my name, will not see revival until they realize that THEY ARE THE REVIVAL that every hungry and seeking soul has been praying for."

Evang.Benincasa · #**247** 03-01-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Tell me EB... if a police officer grants a warning to a speeder... or if a judge throws out the tickets issued to a speeder...

Does that mean that the speed limit has changed?
Does that mean that the speed limit has no relevance any longer?
Does that mean that anyone who speeds can be assured of a warning or of having tickets dismissed?
Does that mean that there are now two speed limits?

Yes or no?

I already explained this with a man racing his wife to the hospital because she is in labor. The officer pulls them over, the guy is doing 150 mph in a 55. The officer tells them to follow his police car to the hospital with sirens blasting. At the hospital the officer writes a citation, and impounds the car. Is he wrong? No, there is a law, the gentleman was not only endangering his unborn child, but his wife, himself, and everyone around him. But in court the judge may see otherwise.God is not man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change his mind. Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not fulfill it? Sorry, God isn't writing out speeding tickets, when your number is up, and you stand before Him, He is a righteous judge. You need to make your case now, not later, because later will be too late.

Evang.Benincasa · #**248** 03-01-2018, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

A company of people, hidden in God, standing in the courts of pharaoh, confronting the spirits of this world...who have been hidden for maybe 2000 years?

That is strange. Is this guy talking about...Apostolics? Lol

I guess we'll just have to see.

What I do know is that back in the day (maybe 1998), I was in a preservice prayer meeting, praying for an endtime revival to sweep the Apostolic church. And the LORD spoke to me through the Spirit saying, "My people, who are called by my name, will not see revival until they realize that THEY ARE THE REVIVAL that every hungry and seeking soul has been praying for."

Good grief.

Evang.Benincasa · #**249** 03-01-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Well... the problem is that there isn't a "criteria". There isn't any assured plan outside of Acts 2:38. There is only a Sovereign God of whom it is written:

Romans 9:15-16 King James Version (KJV)
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine;

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Outside of Acts 2:38... there can be NO assurance or certainty of salvation.

So why are you creating one? Where's the argument? Ezekiel 18:4 you conveniently left off the rest of the verse? The Soul that sinneth it shall die? Chris, seriously man, what I don't like about having discussion with you is that you tend to not be very honest. I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you, but for the sake of you winning an argument you will post nonsense. Bro, in Jesus name, takes Ezekiel's advice.

Aquila · #**250** 03-01-2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So why are you creating one? Where's the argument? Ezekiel 18:4 you conveniently left off the rest of the verse? The Soul that sinneth it shall die? Chris, seriously man, what I don't like about having discussion with you is that you tend to not be very honest. I'm trying to have a decent discussion with you, but for the sake of you winning an argument you will post nonsense. Bro, in Jesus name, takes Ezekiel's advice.

I've tried to answer your questions. Can you answer this one question?

Did Satan best God for 1,800 years? Where are the saints who belived exactly like YOU do during this time?