Perplexed!

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Well JT, the start of this tHread is all about some of his staff baptizing people in the titles and doing the sign of the cross in catholic (read anglican?) fashion...

He didnt denounce this. He didnt state the church would continue along its historical line by baptizing in Jesus Name.

He didnt address it. outside of standing behind the new guys from different traditional backgrounds, pointing out he was sending them to siminary (anglican) and pointing to the Apostles Creed.

Did he really address it or did he dance around it? Why don't these guys just come right out and say what they believe?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Ok. I thought that was what you were talking about, but I didn't wanna just think I was right. If he, DS, doesn't see a difference in Jesus name baptism and FSH baptism then he may not have addressed it because he may not think it is an issue. But when he said that people might leave that might have been his way of addressing that or those types of things.

DS knows there is a difference even if he has decided there isnt. Maybe not in terms of doctrinal differences but he knows his own roots and those of this church.

not addressing it is in my mind at least a clear indication as to his direction.

if this was my home church, I would not be happy and there would be a frank conversation with DS.

I suspect I would have to leave but I would make sure people knew why I was leaving.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I wonder if they will start wearing pointy hats and carrying staves and such

well, he did some of that funny stuff in AZ and got the boot...

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Ferd

DS knows there is a difference even if he has decided there isnt. Maybe not in terms of doctrinal differences but he knows his own roots and those of this church.

not addressing it is in my mind at least a clear indication as to his direction.

if this was my home church, I would not be happy and there would be a frank conversation with DS.

I suspect I would have to leave but I would make sure people knew why I was leaving.

That is the OP in ya talking.

I am not sure by not addressing it that he is leaving it alone all together. He might be talking with those younger ministers and getting them on track. We really don't know. Perhaps because the church is large and had many people coming through the doors every Sunday he might not wanted to address it because maybe he thinks not many people know about it. Just a thought or two.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Ferd

well, he did some of that funny stuff in AZ and got the boot...

I have heard the same. I didn't hear it first hand, but I did hear it from a family member of someone that went there. Who knows what really went on with that or his motivations. Many unanswered questions.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

That is the OP in ya talking.

I am not sure by not addressing it that he is leaving it alone all together. He might be talking with those younger ministers and getting them on track. We really don't know. Perhaps because the church is large and had many people coming through the doors every Sunday he might not wanted to address it because maybe he thinks not many people know about it. Just a thought or two.

yep. its the OP in me talking. It is my fondest hope that there are still some OPs in that church now. I doubt it will matter. DS is gonna do what he wants.

[deltaguitar]

I am wondering if people really know that the church is different. Could it be that there are hundreds that go there who don't even know that the church has Oneness beliefs?

I know that when our church had the big split we had a lot of new converts that really didn't know that the church believed many things the UPC taught.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I have heard the same. I didn't hear it first hand, but I did hear it from a family member of someone that went there. Who knows what really went on with that or his motivations. Many unanswered questions.

JT, it was fully and roundly discussed here or NFCF etc.

and it was pointed out by many of us that DS would do this eventually when he first went to CC.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Ferd

yep. its the OP in me talking. It is my fondest hope that there are still some OPs in that church now. I doubt it will matter. DS is gonna do what he wants.

Agreed. I wonder what L.H. Hardwick thinks about it all...?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Ferd

JT, it was fully and roundly discussed here or NFCF etc.

and it was pointed out by many of us that DS would do this eventually when he first went to CC.

I know that. I participated in it. I am not sure if all of it was fact, but it was all from pretty solid sources.