The Mosque Should Be Built!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Seems like there's a world of difference between the mosque issue and Daniel's and Esther's situation. I don't see the parallel.

Bow down to Haman or experience a little Jihad.

Nebuchadrezzar II, Looks like Daniel didn't do the politically correct diet. How did that work out for Nebbie? didn't he find himself on a strick veggie diet?

We are in the early stages of Islamic crusades. The parallels are not yet obvious. Just a camel nose in the tent so far.

[DaffyDuck]

Originally Posted by coadie

Bow down to Haman or experience a little Jihad.

Nebuchadrezzar II, Looks like Daniel didn't do the politically correct diet. How did that work out for Nebbie? didn't he find himself on a strick veggie diet?

We are in the early stages of Islamic crusades. The parallels are not yet obvious. Just a camel nose in the tent so far.

How does any of this relate to the building of a mosque in New York City? I see no connection whatsoever. You're equating the building of a mosque in NYC to jihad??? Are you serious about that? That's a stretch that would make even conspiracy theorists jealous.

[Walks_in_islam]

http://www.scrollpublishing.com/stor...sian-Code.html

Great stuff really.....here are some more tidbits

We bestow the right of assembly upon those persons who believe according to the doctrines which in the times of Constantius of sainted memory were decreed as those that would endure forever. If those persons who suppose that the right of assembly has been granted to them alone should attempt to provoke any agitation against the regulation of Our Tranquillity, they shall know that, as authors of sedition and as disturbers of the peace of the Church, they shall also pay the penalty of high treason with their life and blood.

In order that organizations in the service of the churches may be filled with a great multitude of people, tax exemption shall be granted to clerics and their acolytes. We decree by this sanction that, if any person should suppose that those who devote their services to the most sacred law may be forced to the ritual of an alien superstition, he shall be beaten publicly with clubs, provided that his legal status so permits. If, however, the consideration of his honorable rank protects him from such an outrage, he shall sustain the penalty of a very heavy fine, which shall be vindicated to the municipalities

There shall be no opportunity for any man to go out to the public and to argue about religion or to discuss it or to give any counsel. If any person hereafter, with flagrant and damnable audacity, should suppose that he may contravene any law of this kind or if he should dare to persist in his action of ruinous obstinacy, he shall be restrained with a due penalty and proper punishment

Originally Posted by Praxeas

3 points,well 2 and one question

Question: what is the source for that quote?

Point 1, that was centuries ago and since then the Catholic church no longer follows that path, when will Islam do the same?

Point 2, few of us here would accept any of those men as our forefathers, considering since we would be considered non-Christians by the Catholic church as well

[coadie]

Planting the seeds of anti integration:

Hundreds of cars set alight in 8th night of Paris riots (AFX)

Some 400 cars were set on fire in the outskirts of Paris last night, as serious riots in the city’s outskirts continued for an eighth consecutive night, the police said. Police also reported that 27 buses were set on fire at a depot, and that fires were started at a primary school in the district of Stains and at a warehouse in Aulnay-Sous-Bois.

The police also said that for the first time since the riots broke out over a week ago, similar disturbances, although on a smaller scale, took place in other French towns, with several cars being set on fire in Dijon and in the Seine-Maritime and Bouche-du-Rhone regions. However, the police also said that there were fewer clashes between police and rioters than on Wednesday night.

The riots were triggered last week when two teenagers were electrocuted after hiding in an electrical substation to escape a police identity check in the Parisian suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/hun...n_paris_riots/
Spencer also observes,

Ignorance of the jihad ideology among European officials has allowed that ideology to spread in those enclaves, unchecked until relatively recently.

Consequently, among a generation of Muslims born in Europe, significant numbers have nothing but contempt and disdain for their native lands, and allegiance only to the Muslim umma and the lands of their parents̢۪ birth. Those who continue to arrive in Europe from Muslim countries are encouraged by the isolation, self-imposed and other-abetted, of the Islamic communities in Europe to hold to the same attitudes.

After the Tower of Babel, it seems people had issues with getting along.

[coadie]

TEHRAN, Iran – Iran's hardline media have called French first lady Carla Bruni a "prostitute" after she expressed strong support for an Iranian woman facing death by stoning for adultery.

New Islamic laws. Stone women and not the men. Will they build a courtyard for stoning at the Ground Zero franchise? How will they shift the buildings so they face Mecca for prayer?

[Walks_in_islam]

New? A (few) examples of equal opportunity stoning (men, women, children, and animals?) from your book (laughing@the thought of stoning a cow). Where do you think the idea of stoning came from? A concept dreamed up at random? Find your own chapter and verses....

Touching things that you are not supposed to touch:

Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death

Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger

Blaspheming:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.

Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.


Rape victims:

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.

Non-virgins:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die

Animals: (you have to be kidding me)

If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned

Worshipping someone other than god:

If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die.

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die

Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones

Being a bad kid: (How many of us would have survived this one?)

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

Gathering sticks on sabbath day:

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Originally Posted by coadie

New Islamic laws. Stone women and not the men. Will they build a courtyard for stoning at the Ground Zero franchise? How will they shift the buildings so they face Mecca for prayer?

[coadie]

So you missed the point. Do the males get a free pass?
Just so you know, the use of 70 virgins is adultery. I have been told they ran out of virgins years ago and put them on backorder.

[Walks_in_islam]

Your missing facts do not result in my missing the point.

Your posts remind me of the quote by EB White:

“Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts.”

A recent news story for you:

"This weekend's stoning appeared to arise from an affair between a married man and a single woman in Kunduz province's Dasht-e-Archi district.

The woman, Sadiqa, was 20 years old and engaged to another man, said the Kunduz provincial police chief, Gen. Abdul Raza Yaqoubi. Her lover, 28-year-old Qayum, left his wife to run away with her, and the two had holed up in a friend's house five days ago, said district government head, Mohammad Ayub Aqyar.

They were discovered on Sunday and stoned to death in front a crowd of about 150 men, Mr. Aqyar said.

First the woman was brought out and stoned, then the man a half an hour later, Mr. Aqyar said. He decried the punishment."

The point: No pass for either.

Originally Posted by coadie

So you missed the point. Do the males get a free pass?
Just so you know, the use of 70 virgins is adultery. I have been told they ran out of virgins years ago and put them on backorder.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Your missing facts do not result in my missing the point.

Your posts remind me of the quote by EB White:

“Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts.”

A recent news story for you:

"This weekend's stoning appeared to arise from an affair between a married man and a single woman in Kunduz province's Dasht-e-Archi district.

The woman, Sadiqa, was 20 years old and engaged to another man, said the Kunduz provincial police chief, Gen. Abdul Raza Yaqoubi. Her lover, 28-year-old Qayum, left his wife to run away with her, and the two had holed up in a friend's house five days ago, said district government head, Mohammad Ayub Aqyar.

They were discovered on Sunday and stoned to death in front a crowd of about 150 men, Mr. Aqyar said.

First the woman was brought out and stoned, then the man a half an hour later, Mr. Aqyar said. He decried the punishment."

The point: No pass for either.

No mercy.



To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses:



33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."





This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.





23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."

[DaffyDuck]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Your missing facts do not result in my missing the point.

Your posts remind me of the quote by EB White:

“Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts.”

A recent news story for you:

"This weekend's stoning appeared to arise from an affair between a married man and a single woman in Kunduz province's Dasht-e-Archi district.

The woman, Sadiqa, was 20 years old and engaged to another man, said the Kunduz provincial police chief, Gen. Abdul Raza Yaqoubi. Her lover, 28-year-old Qayum, left his wife to run away with her, and the two had holed up in a friend's house five days ago, said district government head, Mohammad Ayub Aqyar.

They were discovered on Sunday and stoned to death in front a crowd of about 150 men, Mr. Aqyar said.

First the woman was brought out and stoned, then the man a half an hour later, Mr. Aqyar said. He decried the punishment."

The point: No pass for either.

Walks,

How do you feel about this, from a Muslim point of view?