I would like to speak with new tongues

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

The Great, Final, Awesome Settling of Destiny is extraordinarily specific in the context of The Seventh-day Millerite Interpretation of the Book of Revelation.


Isn't your identification of the Son of man just a rehash of Jesuit theology?


What did John the Baptist know about the most distinguishing characteristics of the dragon, beast and false prophet in the book of Revelation being parallel to Satan's three temptations in Matthew 4?

I doubt John the Baptist knew anything about the book of Revelation, since he was not there at the time John the Beloved wrote it.

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I do not know what Jesuit theology says about Daniel 7

There are two main schools of thought when it comes to interpreting Daniel 7: (1) That of the Protestant Reformers and (2) that of the founders of the Counter-Reformation, which were Jesuits.

Here is a good sample of the side that you don't represent:

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

There are two main schools of thought when it comes to interpreting Daniel 7: (1) That of the Protestant Reformers and (2) that of the founders of the Counter-Reformation, which were Jesuits.

Here is a good sample of the side that you don't represent:

http://christiantrumpetsounding.com/...on%20Views.htm

It is obvious you did not read the linked articles that I wrote on the "Identity of the Son of Man in Daniel 7". It is also obvious you have no idea what I "represent". The video you linked is about the identity of the little horn/papal antichrist. If you had any clue about my views, which are immediately ascertainable by simply clicking my user name and selecting "see all threads posted by Esaias", you would make the amazing discovery that the "side which I represent" is basically the Continuous Historical interpretation of prophecy, aka historicism, usually known as "the Protestant Historical Interpretation".

I am fully aware of the various Jesuit Counter-Reformation schemes of prophetic interpretation. I am not however familiar with any particular Jesuit interpretation of the Son of Man in Daniel 7, which is the part of Daniel 7 I was referring to. I am completely familiar with catholic, futurist, dispensational, and preterist interpretations of the four beasts, little horn, etc, but I wasn't enquiring about that.

Since you did not bother to read the article I posted, nor did you bother to find out what positions I hold, but instead just decided to assume things about me, and then proceed to pontificate on what I supposedly "don't represent", I am forced to conclude you are just another pompous internet forum twit with no actual substantial life outside the DARPA Webs. And, based on a simple cost-benefit analysis, I have decided to forego attempting further communications with you.

Have a nice day.

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The conclusion then is that in Daniel 7, the 'one like unto the son of man' is a symbol of the saints of God. His appearance represents the eschatological victory of God's people over their enemies, including the fourth beast and the little horn. There is no hint here of any personal, individual son of man character, let alone a divinely pre-existing heavenly being known as 'the son of man'.

The Jews as Collective Messiah—A Collection of Jewish Divine “Sparks”

Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsbergh, author of What You Need to Know About the Kabbalah, points to the doctrine of Ba’al Shem Tov, the most famous rabbinical authority, who taught of the “immanent omnipresence of the almighty, which implies a unique equivalence between God and Creation.” Ginsbergh says this equivalence means that, “God is all and all is God.”

According to Ginsbergh, the Shekinah presence, a divine spark or energy force, is found only in spiritually advanced Jews. God is an “aggregate,” or combination of these sparks, and the Messiah is made up of the divine sparks, the sanctified elite. These divine beings collectively shall usher in the Messianic Age.

Rabbi David Cooper explains further that the “coming of Messiah” is actually the “coming of messianic consciousness.” Men who become divine realize their divinity and become fully conscious.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

The Jews as Collective Messiah—A Collection of Jewish Divine “Sparks”

Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsbergh, author of What You Need to Know About the Kabbalah, points to the doctrine of Ba’al Shem Tov, the most famous rabbinical authority, who taught of the “immanent omnipresence of the almighty, which implies a unique equivalence between God and Creation.” Ginsbergh says this equivalence means that, “God is all and all is God.”

According to Ginsbergh, the Shekinah presence, a divine spark or energy force, is found only in spiritually advanced Jews. God is an “aggregate,” or combination of these sparks, and the Messiah is made up of the divine sparks, the sanctified elite. These divine beings collectively shall usher in the Messianic Age.

Rabbi David Cooper explains further that the “coming of Messiah” is actually the “coming of messianic consciousness.” Men who become divine realize their divinity and become fully conscious.

I am aware many Jews worship themselves as the embodiment of Cosmic Wisdom blah blah blah, and that they often believe Jewry is the Messiah. But that wasn't here nor there with my point on Daniel 7. If you had read the whole thing you would have seen that 1 the angel himself gave the interpretation that the one like the son of man represented God's people, and 2 that Jesus identified Himself with that representation. Because Jesus is the archetype of Israel, God's firstborn and God's son. We are the saints of God because we are in Christ. More importantly, the victory depicted in Daniel 7 finds it's initial fulfillment in Christ's exaltation (according to His own statements) and will be completed with the final overthrow of the Fourth Beast and the Little Horn, which coincides with Revelation 19 and the receiving of the dominion by Christ and His people (which commences in Revelation 20).

On a related note modern Jewry is not Israelite, but a mixed multitude of mostly Turkic extraction headed by a faction of the remains of Edom united by talmudic religion and philosophy and a self-asserted identity claiming the blessing and the birthright of Jacob. Imposters, in other words, just like Jesus said (Rev 2:9, 3:9) The descendants of Jacob have recognised Jesus as Messiah exactly as prophecy foretold and bear the marks of Israel, and they are not and never were known as "Jews". The Zionist war against Christendom is simply the latest stage of Esau's attempts to reclaim his sold birthright and "stolen" blessing, a conflict which can be seen in the conflict between Judea's overlords and Jesus during the first century. There is a reason His Pharisaic opponents could claim to be descended from Abraham and yet also claim they were never in bondage to anyone. No actual Israelite could make that claim nor would they.

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I am aware many Jews worship themselves as the embodiment of Cosmic Wisdom blah blah blah, and that they often believe Jewry is the Messiah.

Your promotion of an unoriginal, minority view is suspect. And indisputably, your errors justify their errors. Frankly, repeating ancient errors only detracts from present truth.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

Your promotion of an unoriginal, minority view is suspect. And indisputably, your errors justify their errors. Frankly, repeating ancient errors only detracts from present truth.

You clearly are a novice at this.

So long, fella.

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You clearly are a novice at this.

So long, fella.

I confess my innocence. Please do not elaborate with the art of obfuscation and the reason for interposing yourself and an unoriginal, off-topic, minority viewpoint to detract attention away from God-given new light meant for the final generation. It wouldn't be very Apostolic.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

I confess my innocence. Please do not elaborate with the art of obfuscation and the reason for interposing yourself and an unoriginal, off-topic, minority viewpoint to detract attention away from God-given new light meant for the final generation. It wouldn't be very Apostolic.

Hang it up dude. No one is buying what your selling.

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Hang it up dude. No one is buying what your selling.

I urge everyone to obey all the Apostolic commands.

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matthew 5:48). "But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, 'You shall be holy, for I am holy'." (1 Peter 1:15,16).

"Rejoice always; pray without ceasing; in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:16-22).

"I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction." (2 Timothy 4:1-2).