Judged By A Bearded Man

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If thats indeed what it was it was wrong from the start. What WAS a hippie? One who committed fornication and took drugs? To many that would be the definition.

The problem with that is in the 60's and 70's MANY men who were CLEAN SHAVED did the very same thing!

One of the most prominent dealers I knew was a smoother all the way. I never saw him with a beard. My best friend during that time with whom I did drugs day in and day out had no beard. And others who committed all the SAME SINS as hippies were also smoothers.

So why do they focus the attack over the sins of the 60's and 70's against hippies when the MAJORITY of people doing these sins DID NOT HAVE BEARDS?

Excellent point.

I wonder who was the first pastor to teach a "beard standard"?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

I linked to a preacher trying to answer why he does not like beards 1 page back, I think he states why he does not like it, but its not new.

Hippiez didz jit

Staggering. And they probably consider him DEEP

We should examine what he said in the light of SUIT WEARING.

Yes perhaps we will.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Or criticizing him who has no beard.

Why would anyone criticize a man who has no beard?

I'm only talking about those who teach this stupid tradition of man as doctrine.

Sweet love of God, Hoss, if you don't know my position which has been posted in multiple BEARD threads. Then you are smoking and eating too much MM and CBD gummy bears. It kills your memory, that is why we call it DOPE.

You're all for the power of the Mini-Popes. You don't have the manhood to take a stand and say that they are indeed out of order and that the Bible makes no requirement on facial hair whatsoever for the NT believer.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Why would anyone criticize a man who has no beard?

I'm only talking about those who teach this stupid tradition of man as doctrine.

Chris, you have posted statements that non beard wearers are effeminate.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're all for the power of the Mini-Popes. You don't have the manhood to take a stand and say that they are indeed out of order and that the Bible makes no requirement on facial hair whatsoever for the NT believer.

Looks who talking about someone not having the manhood while he sits comfortably behind a computer screen. But, Elder Urshan in the video which was posted prefixes his statements concerning beards with the comment that it wasn't Biblical. You also agreed in another thread that you knew some pastor is within bounds to request what he desires. That his vision was that people on his platform be clean shaven. I have never heard or seen a Bible study on clean shaven face. Again, Brother Nathaniel Urshan said it wasn't Biblical doctrine, but he doesn't advocates beards. So, wipe your tears.

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[Michael The Disciple]

But, Elder Urshan in the video which was posted prefixes his statements concerning beards with the comment that it wasn't Biblical.

He knows what he teaches is NOT BIBLICAL.

Thats all we need to know. And they wonder why Trins and others are fearful of trusting Oneness Preachers.

They admit they teach UNBIBLICAL doctrine openly. So we expect those outside our faith to come and embrace our Churches when they KNOW Pastors are teaching UN OR EXTRA Biblical doctrine?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

He knows what he teaches is NOT BIBLICAL.

Thats all we need to know. And they wonder why Trins and others are fearful of trusting Oneness Preachers.

They admit they teach UNBIBLICAL doctrine openly. So we expect those outside our faith to come and embrace our Churches when they KNOW Pastors are teaching UN OR EXTRA Biblical doctrine?

It is a preference. A Trinitarian doesn't give a care about shaving off a beard. What to know why? Because I know Baptists here in Florida who are shavers.
Mike, no one is going to break down the doors of any church because they let the fur fly. Ain't happening.

[Wilsonwas]

If the clean shave club, knows it is not biblical, and the link I posted says this too, then they must have heard it from somewhere, and have reasons to prefer this look.
Nearly all will find an association, hippies, or gays or whatever, but none will simply come out and say anything other than preference.

What this seems to say is that bearded guys are considered low class, rough, somehow offensive, by people trying to create a certain image.

What is that image ? I think it is related to my first post here, where we seem to have decided that white, suburban, consumer, class, look from the late 40s to early-mid 50s, when standards were expressed and possibly written is the highest achievable look of "goodness". As this was 60 or more years ago, the institution of these "standards" has become institutional in that tbey are now called, "the old landmark". When perhaps they should have been more like movable construction signs as opposed to landmarks, which surely we can all agree are scripture, like Acts 2:38,.

By describing the standards in relativity to the social, economic, and fashion sense of a relatively short period of time, and tying this to salvation issues - perhaps these discussions we have here now are the harvest of error. Or less forcefully, not error maybe, but lack of foresight?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Excellent point.

I wonder who was the first pastor to teach a "beard standard"

I don't know who he was, but I'm pretty sure he couldn't grow a decent looking beard to save his life!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

If the clean shave club, knows it is not biblical, and the link I posted says this too, then they must have heard it from somewhere, and have reasons to prefer this look.
Nearly all will find an association, hippies, or gays or whatever, but none will simply come out and say anything other than preference.

If a church family prefers wearing beards and crewcuts on the men what is the problem? I posted a video, and the bearded dude had lots to say about the clean shaved look. Went as far as to say if you say it would cause a hormone imbalance? Which has no basis in truth. So, maybe both sides have their arguments. But if the elders and church family want it a certain way, then have at it. If you don't like churches where song books are hurled at long haired teenagers then don't go. If it's your cup of tea, the enjoy the show. But, does the Holy Ghost move at both places I guess so, because it is all One God Acts 2:38, and holiness.

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

What this seems to say is that bearded guys are considered low class, rough, somehow offensive, by people trying to create a certain image.

You know if you guys knew more beard onlyists you be singing a different tune. Imagine if your first church was Steve Winter and the flowing whiteness.

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

What is that image ? I think it is related to my first post here, where we seem to have decided that white, suburban, consumer, class, look from the late 40s to early-mid 50s, when standards were expressed and possibly written is the highest achievable look of "goodness". As this was 60 or more years ago, the institution of these "standards" has become institutional in that tbey are now called, "the old landmark". When perhaps they should have been more like movable construction signs as opposed to landmarks, which surely we can all agree are scripture, like Acts 2:38,.

Actually the look goes all the way back to the Roman Empire, including the attire. Modified over the centuries, until it became what it is today. What has changed since the 1960s to now, is the shot out of a canon look, Nike sandals, and white socks, trousers hanging down, where the boxers are exposed. To early renaissance camouflage, and Dickie work jeans, with boots. Getting dressed up for church is frowned upon until we start looking like we are straight out of the Book of Eli Post Apocalyptic tale.

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

By describing the standards in relativity to the social, economic, and fashion sense of a relatively short period of time, and tying this to salvation issues - perhaps these discussions we have here now are the harvest of error. Or less forcefully, not error maybe, but lack of foresight?

A discussion fueled by boredom?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

QUOTE=Aquila;1542907Excellent point.

I wonder who was the first pastor to teach a "beard standard"?[/QUOTE]

I don't know who he was, but I'm pretty sure he couldn't grow a decent looking beard to save his life!

You are messing up your posts again.