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Old 12-10-2016, 09:47 PM
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“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?” - Donald Trump

It's evident that the man is right.
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Old 12-10-2016, 09:54 PM
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You guys act like you won a football game, and like all of this is just not important. This is our nation you're laughing about. I'm a vet, and I've worked with this stuff. If the intelligence community has come to a consensus, there is enough data to unite them on their conclusion. It's no joke. It's no laughing matter. They are wording their response as un-alarmist as possible because this is so serious. Don't take their careful wording as a sign of no consequence. They are rushing to look more deeply into this because Trump will silence them and shut any investigation into this down. I know the words they are using isn't as sensational as stories about Hillary eating children. Maybe if it were, conservatives would put down their Big Gulps and Big Macs and take notice. Time is running out on their freedom to look into this. Trump shows no interest in making the open promise to allow any such investigation to continue or be taken seriously. This clearly shows the caliber of leader he isn't. Any one who cares at all about our great nation should be very concerned right now. But that escapes the conservative mindset that favors party loyalty over the Republic. We'll talk again about this in the coming years. And you'll eat your words, I promise you. Oh, and when the next great attack on us happens, because it's coming, steel yourself and try not to be swept away by all the patriotic zeal that will sweep the nation and call you to unite under the wings of this devil. Steel yourself now. Know your enemy. It will be a dark hour and fear will usher in something never seen in our nation, something we'd never imagine. The chess pieces are in place. The wise can see it, if they but try. So mock me, call me names, scoff, and laugh now. Because when that day comes, you'll realize this is no joke.


If any group favors party loyalty over what's best for the country, it's the Democrats. Any time a scandal arises in their midst, their the first ones to circle the wagons in support of their side of the aisle.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear:

I DO NOT SUPPORT TRUMP!

Did you catch that? You've made accusations towards many of us (ND, PO, myself) who are in opposition to the man, accusing us of blindly supporting him, just because we don't agree with your assessment. Guess what, WE DON'T!

However, we are not prepared to go full retard, and accuse him of things that he hasn't done. All you're doing, is making yourself look foolish.

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Old 12-10-2016, 10:16 PM
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So what do you call an authoritarian and nationalistic left-wing system of government and social organization?
particularly an extreme left-wing, authoritarian, intolerant of other views or practice.
He'd probably call it 'progress'?
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Old 12-10-2016, 10:32 PM
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fascism:

"Benito Mussolini coined the term “fascism” in 1919 to describe his political movement. He adopted the ancient Roman fasces as his symbol. This was a bundle of rods tied around an ax, which represented the power of Rome...

Mussolini chose Giovanni Gentile, a noted Italian philosopher, as his minister of education. Gentile reorganized Italy’s school system. He also wrote many articles and books, clarifying the basic ideas of fascism.

Gentile argued that the private desires and interests of the individual came second to the “common will” of the people. The fascist state, he said, put this will of the people into action.

Gentile explained that self-sacrifice and obedience to the state enable the individual to achieve unity with the “common will.” Gentile argued that rights do not belong to the individual but to the people as a whole.

Gentile taught that the “common will” of the people is the law of the state. Therefore, individuals must submit to the fascist state in order to be truly free. Later, Mussolini put it this way: “Far from crushing the individual, the fascist state multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is . . . multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers.”

Building on the ideas of earlier European philosophers like Friedrich Nietzsche, Gentile claimed that the peoples of the world are engaged in a survival of the fittest. He declared it is the natural right of the stronger to conquer and rule the weaker. Gentile stated that war has another function in the fascist state: It unites the people and proves their superiority as a nation.

Gentile, sometimes called the philosopher of Italian fascism, believed he could combine philosophy with raw power. He once praised Mussolini as being dedicated to Italy in “its honor, its glory, its security and prosperity, and, therefore, in its power and its value in the history of the world.” ...

During the 1930s, Mussolini organized industry, agriculture, and economic services into state-controlled labor unions and employer associations called “corporations.” Government officials appointed the heads of each union and employer corporation. They negotiated wages and working conditions with each other.

This “third way” corporatism attempted to unify workers and employers by requiring them to set aside their private interests in favor of the best interests of the fascist state. In practice, however, the employers usually benefited more than the workers did. ...

Because of their connection to Hitler and the horrors of World War II, the terms “fascist” and “fascism” are often hurled as insults at political opponents. The terms have lost much meaning, other than as insults. Even scholars have difficulty in agreeing on a definition of fascism.


http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-right...f-fascism.html

So, from the original fascists, we learn that fascism has as it's core concepts the following ideas:

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, ie 'it takes a village'.

War is a necessary extension of superior culture to weaker cultures, ie 'spreading democracy'.

Business and industry and agriculture are managed via government controlled 'consensus' which requires private interests of both bosses and workers to be subsumed to the greater public good which of course is determined by government. And, the 'employers' tend to benefit more than the actual workers and wage-earners. Fancy that.

'Fascist' is a term that means little nowadays except as an insult for people you don't like.

Any of this sound familiar?
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:01 PM
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I've looked into it. From my studies, Fascism is a philosophy of government that can be embraced by a regime holding either leftwing or rightwing economic philosophies. It's rule by fear, misinformation, and the threat of force towards political opposition.

However, I can see the rightwing hardline tactics like these being Fascist.... and the leftwing of the same being Communist.
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:16 AM
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Trump appears to be standing by his plans to establish a registry for Muslims and temporarily ban Muslim immigrants from the United States.

Trump on the future of proposed Muslim ban, registry: ‘You know my plans’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8d5f71cf8fd1
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:42 AM
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Trump appears to be standing by his plans to establish a registry for Muslims and temporarily ban Muslim immigrants from the United States.

Trump on the future of proposed Muslim ban, registry: ‘You know my plans’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8d5f71cf8fd1
As long as it's narrowly tailored and aimed only at those coming from countries in which terrorists operate, I agree with Trump's plan.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:27 PM
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If we were at war with Nazi Germany would you ban German immigrants?

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Trump appears to be standing by his plans to establish a registry for Muslims and temporarily ban Muslim immigrants from the United States.

Trump on the future of proposed Muslim ban, registry: ‘You know my plans’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8d5f71cf8fd1
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:38 PM
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As long as it's narrowly tailored and aimed only at those coming from countries in which terrorists operate, I agree with Trump's plan.
This is Trump's plan in a nutshell: "Trump supports a registry of Muslim immigrants and visitors who enter on visas from countries where extremist organizations are active."

I agree with Trump on this. I hope he follows through and implements it.
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This is Trump's plan in a nutshell: "Trump supports a registry of Muslim immigrants and visitors who enter on visas from countries where extremist organizations are active."

I agree with Trump on this. I hope he follows through and implements it.
For non U.S citizens I agree. For u.s. citizens there should be no universal registry like this.

If a subset of a Non-u.s population chants death to America and carries out attacks against America and its citizens then the government of the people, by the people and for the people of the United States of America have a right and responsibility to ban whatever group wishes to cause us harm or to ban the larger group even if only a subset of that group wishes to cause us harm (when we cannot readily ban the subset)

It is not a right of anyone to visit America or to be allowed to become a citizen of our nation. It is the right of we the people to allow whom we will allow and ban whom we will ban.
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