What the World Sees as Apostolic

[rrford]

Originally Posted by tv1a

There are a couple of conservative minded people that posted who understood the theme of this thread was not to bash standards but to bring to awareness of the dillusion of what we think an apostolic is and what the perception of an apostolic is. There is a huge gap between the two groups.

This should be a time for introspection anyone who wears an apostolic label. Unfortunately self-denial supercedes common sense. The perception the world has of apostolics is not because they are ignorant or in the dark. The world's perception of apostolic comes from years of observed behavior.

Okay. Wait a second. The world, on the one hand, does not know what Apostolic means but on the other hand they have observed years of behavior?

Which is it? They do know or they don't know?

And please do not take some of our answers as self-denial superceding common sense. The real common sense is knowing that subjects such as this never get a fair hearing around here. I learned long ago on FCF that to discuss specific standards was futile. Trying to discuss a subjective term such as "apostolic" is just as futile, IMO.

[tv1a]

I'll repeat it again. The point of this thread is to say what the world sees as apostolic is different than what those who claim to be apostolic. I've stated from the beginning it is a matter of perception. There is no inconsistencies with my posts.

In my own opinion, apostolic is a subjective term thus no opinioin from me what apostolic is or isn't. I'm passing along what the world sees as an apostolic. What they see define as an apostolic is far diffierent than what apostolics define.

Refer to Jim Yohe's Believer's Bootcamp. He writes about a Wal-Mart Clerk brush with "apostolic" people in a day to day environment. If I have time later, I'll post some excerpts from the book.

Originally Posted by rrford

Okay. Wait a second. The world, on the one hand, does not know what Apostolic means but on the other hand they have observed years of behavior?

Which is it? They do know or they don't know?

And please do not take some of our answers as self-denial superceding common sense. The real common sense is knowing that subjects such as this never get a fair hearing around here. I learned long ago on FCF that to discuss specific standards was futile. Trying to discuss a subjective term such as "apostolic" is just as futile, IMO.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I'll repeat it again. The point of this thread is to say what the world sees as apostolic is different than what those who claim to be apostolic. I've stated from the beginning it is a matter of perception. There is no inconsistencies with my posts.

In my own opinion, apostolic is a subjective term thus no opinioin from me what apostolic is or isn't. I'm passing along what the world sees as an apostolic. What they see define as an apostolic is far diffierent than what apostolics define.

Refer to Jim Yohe's Believer's Bootcamp. He writes about a Wal-Mart Clerk brush with "apostolic" people in a day to day environment. If I have time later, I'll post some excerpts from the book.

"The world...."

"They...."

Who is "the world/they" that you speak of?

Is it folks you personaly know, other than the woman you mention in your original post, who is "the world/they"?

Is "the world/they" a cross section survey someone has done?

Just wondering, who in the world is "the world/they"?

[tv1a]

The world you ask about is the world you are trying to convince of your spiritual superiority. Observations of apostolics are pretty much universal through out the four corners of the states.

You still are trying to attack the message with out adressing the problem it exposes. There are other posters who have admitted that people have told them the same thing I observed. Jim Yohe makes the same observation in his book Believer's Bootcamp.
[QUOTE]Would it suprise you to know that to the world at large, we may be known more for our hypocrisy than for our doctrine? For being ready to strain at their gnats while eagerly swallowing our own camels of inconsistency!... We must be aware that both God and the world are tuned into us even when we aren't tuned into them or Him![
-Jim Yohe's Believer's Bootcamp pg. 225 /QUOTE]

Are you ready to discuss the issue? Or would you rather keep barking with your head tucked between your legs like a little puppy whose been beaten for missing the newspaper?

Originally Posted by Old Paths

"The world...."

"They...."

Who is "the world/they" that you speak of?

Is it folks you personaly know, other than the woman you mention in your original post, who is "the world/they"?

Is "the world/they" a cross section survey someone has done?

Just wondering, who in the world is "the world/they"?

[tv1a]

I thought about posting more of the JY article about what wal-mart employees think of apostolics, but I don't think I could handle Old Paths scorching commentary on how stupid wal-mart employees are. Not my idea of an effective rebuttal, but it seems to be the only one he can come up with...

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I thought about posting more of the JY article about what wal-mart employees think of apostolics, but I don't think I could handle Old Paths scorching commentary on how stupid wal-mart employees are. Not my idea of an effective rebuttal, but it seems to be the only one he can come up with...

If you can't post with any credibility then just try to destroy the credibility of those who post contrary to your beliefs Good observation TV1a

Blessings, Rhoni

[tv1a]

Thnx. It wasn't that difficult.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

If you can't post with any credibility then just try to destroy the credibility of those who post contrary to your beliefs Good observation TV1a

Blessings, Rhoni

[Old Paths]

Carry on with your defense based entirely of what you say the world thinks.

Your arguement is subjective and so can not be proved or disproved.

Carry on.

PS

tv1a YOU said walmart employees were stupid, not me.

Originally Posted by rrford

Keep your eye on the ball.

When you STATE that I preach another Gospel you are indeed accusing me of heresy and therfore, according to scripture I would be accursed.

Perhaps going beyond a primary level of reasoning when you post would allow you to see how some statements lead to obvious conclusions?

BTW, it is unwise to judge what I preach when you have no idea what I preach. Which is exactly what you did. Of course I doubt you will see it that way.

Stop dodging the questing and give proof .I'm waitering, been waiting for two years now..Still you dance around like a child who needs to excuse them self .

Last, nor do you know me, yet you feel free to judge~

[rrford]

Originally Posted by CupCake

Stop dodging the questing and give proof .I'm waitering, been waiting for two years now..Still you dance around like a child who needs to excuse them self .

Last, nor do you know me, yet you feel free to judge~

Whatever. To repeat Epley, "There is no one so blind as the one who will not see."

You didn't keep your eye on the ball.