DKB Shares His Vision: Apostolic Identity,

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I need to log out, but I don't believe my questions were answered. Would someone care to indulge me? The questions in bold......

If God is telling me to stay where I am, how do I and how should I take those that oppose where I serve?

Keep doing what you feel God wants you to do, as long as it glorifies Him.

I wouldn't "take them" any kind of way. Each of us has a separate pair of eyes and our own mind and heart for a reason. God has a unique place for each of us.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Tell them it's none of their business. Then keep doing what you feel God wants you to do, as long as it glorifies Him.

So, I should put that in my signature line and post on all the threads, like this one, that keeps coming up?

This forum leans more toward the anti-UPC crowd and I really would like some solid answers. I feel it's important for people to realize that we must sincerely follow the will of God. We feel that we are doing that.

That means that even if I don't agree with some things, I am in because God is instructing us to stay and He is building a church and I need to be in it.

I can't leave if He is telling me to stay, hence, my frustration with some of the conversations. I know, I shouldn't get involved if it bothers me, but I wanted some to consider my point of view. I'm just as passionate on following the will of God in my life as everyone else says that they are.

[missourimary]

Sure! Put it in your signature!

Each church is different. Denominal ones as well as OP. Some people feel God tells them to go, others feel He tells them to stay. Both are OK. And both may very well be right for their situations.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Sure! Put it in your signature!

Each church is different. Denominal ones as well as OP. Some people feel God tells them to go, others feel He tells them to stay. Both are OK. And both may very well be right for their situations.

I agree. Because at the end of this age, I will be the only person answering to God for what I have done on this earth.

Okay really have to go. LOL!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Right, we shouldn't push our convictions on others.

I do think the org, and I don't usually elaborate on these issues either way aside from strictly debating scripture, is that they must refine the language of "it's not a heaven or hell issue" but then not use someone in a leadership position if someone chooses to do those things that are not supposed to be heaven or hell. That was a long sentence! LOL!

There are platform standards which any church is welcome to hold and has the right to demand of it's members.

But pushing a compliance while saying it is not a heaven or hell issue is not going to work and is confusing. We will have to iron that one out.

I still believe we are in a transition and not fully transitioned that pants are visually acceptable for a women. Still, at the grocery store, you get compliments on dress and hair. It's still a perception, IMO. I think the UPCI isn't sure they want to go there. I mean walk away from that.

For instance, in the clip that Daniel provided, DKB comments, and it has been my observation as well, that many people are attending mainstream churches, but not living up to full Christian standards of living. My Dentist from Burma made the same observation to me after visiting a huge Charismatic church in our area. She was very turned off and never went back. So, on our part, we see this and wonder if we will go that way.

I believe that Benincasa made the comment, on another thread, that people coming from other countries backslide when they live here. It is showing that the American churches, as a whole, are lacking.

I just received an update from Focus on the Family who is staging some meeting about our Youth that are not attending church in this country. They are not speaking of the UPCI, but the church at large. Something is desperately wrong - all they way around.

PO, it's been a while since you and I had a good skirmish, and I wouldn't mind if it was longer, but I do have to point out an observation.

You said your dentist from Burma went to a Charismatic church, was turned off and never went back. And, then I didn't understand your next statement "We see this and wonder if we will go that way". Could you please clarify?

Also, my next question is - why was she turned off? Because the women wore pants? The men had beards? The music was too loud? The people were unfriendly? I'm just trying to get a better understanding of why she was turned off, because there are millions of people who attend Charismatic churches every week who are NOT turned off, so I'm just curious.

And, as far as Benincasa's statement (If it was Benny), that is an extremely broad brush statement "People coming from other countries backslide when they live here". How many people? All of them, what percentage, and what's the measuring stick to determine this?

I'm really not trying to be argumentative, but these kinds of unfounded statements just bug the daylights out of me!

So, if you could please provide some clarification, I would be MOST appreciative!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I need to log out, but I don't believe my questions were answered. Would someone care to indulge me? The questions in bold......

PO, I don't believe that anyone on this thread has tried to convince anyone else to either leave the UPC or join the UPC.

As Mo Mary said, you should stay exactly where you feel God has placed you.

However, realize that the leadership of any organization, when they make public statements and become the mouthpiece of that organization, will be the topic of discussion, both pro and con. Just like the POTUS is a topic of discussion over American policies, and freedom of speech allows us to cast our vocal votes on a daily basis, the leader of the UPCI, or Southern Baptist convention, or Roman Catholic church is no different.

I think that's what I've seen more than anything on this forum, discussion over issues and policies that either currently affect us, or have affected most of us in the past.

I don't see anyone here saying "You should all leave the UPCI, they teach the doctrine of devils".

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

PO, it's been a while since you and I had a good skirmish, and I wouldn't mind if it was longer

If you had only not have said this, I would have responded. But, now I can't.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If you had only not have said this, I would have responded. But, now I can't.

Sure you can, we can discuss amicably! That's why I said I wouldn't mind if we endured a peaceful treaty for a longer period of time!

See how I asked for clarification this time!?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sure you can, we can discuss amicably! That's why I said I wouldn't mind if we endured a peaceful treaty for a longer period of time!

That is NOT what you said initially, Mr. Politician man. LOL!

You always anticipate that we will skirmish and then we do. I'm trying to eat a salad and I have to wash my hair, so I haven't the time, unfortunately.

You take up too much of my time because I have to word everything soooo precisely so that we won't have a misunderstanding. I just don't have the time right this minute.

Have a great evening. I might get back with you on this later.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is NOT what you said initially, Mr. Politician man. LOL!

You always anticipate that we will skirmish and then we do. I'm trying to eat a salad and I have to wash my hair, so I haven't the time, unfortunately.

You take up too much of my time because I have to word everything soooo precisely so that we won't have a misunderstanding. I just don't have the time right this minute.

Have a great evening. I might get back with you on this later.

No problem, I'm heading out for the evening, as well. Have a good night!