that's a nice thought. but you seriously have to make everybody play by the same rules. Barak Obama directly and personally attacked McCain. Biden hit hard on McCain.
to suggest that Palin cannot play by the same rules, is at the least questionable isnt it?
Ferd, I am not saying that she cannot play by the same rules if she should choose to. What I am saying is that we live in a climate where the average voter is tired of the same rules and playing games in the first place.
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I believe in keeping taxes low on everybody (the rich too). I believe in getting taxes lower for businesses because high taxes force manufacturing jobs over seas, increace the cost of goods and services and reduce the number of people a business can employ.
I believe in putting people on the supreme court who will NOT create legislation out of thin air.
I believe that a person should have a right to both join a union and also to keep a job or get a job without being forced to join a union.
I belive in a strong military and that losing in Iraq is a horrible reality that makes America both weaker and more vulnerable to islamic terrorist attack.
I believe that you cannot make the economy stronger by taking money out of the economy and handing it to the government.
I believe that we must drill for oil in America and cut off the middle east.
I believe that the government spends far too much and needs to stop spending like drunken sailors.
I believe that while the cost of healthcare is too high, the fix does not include socializing 1/5 of the American economy.
I do not believe the Republicans have accomplished all or even most of this, but I do know that ONLY the Republicans are the only ones who can do this.
I am pragmatic enought to realize the main reason these things have not gotten done completely since 1980 when the conservitive movement really formed, is because there are enough Americans that DO NOT agree with me at all.
This is the tug of war.
I am also pragmatic enough to believe that some Republicans (and many recently) who either believe these things or have said they do, have flinced and backed down.
while I believe those people need to be replaced, I do not believe you replace them with someone who will work to prevent everything I believe in from happening.
So, I vote for republicans and will work to get rid of bad republicans by replacing them with other republicans.
I am a partisian republican because I will NOT vote for someone, or find political value in someone who believes the opposite of what I believe.
So, call me a partisian. but dont be bewildered when i dont buy it when a democrat talks about change and being different when they clearly believe in exactly the opposite of what I believe and have said as much.love you guys.
PS, I am also a partisian republican because voting for Bob Barr will get Barak Obama elected.
Ferd, the Republicans are not the only people who can do these things. Any people that the American people put into elected office can do these things if they are made to pledge to do these things and be held accountable for doing these things. As it stands, noone is going to do these things because neither party has to do these things and there are some people benifitting from the way things are right now. If everybody actually had to work for our vote and line up to the ideals and convictions we have in order to get our vote, things would get done.
And for the hundredth time, let me clarify that none of what I am saying is being said to try to solicit votes for the Democrats either.
Oh yeah, and I love you too.
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Last edited by tstew; 09-04-2008 at 02:53 PM.
Reason: I forgot to tell Ferd that I love him
Ferd, I am not saying that she cannot play by the same rules if she should choose to. What I am saying is that we live in a climate where the average voter is tired of the same rules and playing games in the first place.
I think there is some of that for sure. what bugs me is when Barak Obama doesnt play by his own rules, he isnt taken to task for it.
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I think there is some of that for sure. what bugs me is when Barak Obama doesnt play by his own rules, he isnt taken to task for it.
All the more reason to paint her as the one who is really transcendant and not playing the same games in the same way. Kind of a "change you can actually see on a consistent basis" approach.
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Ferd, the Republicans are not the only people who can do these things. Any people that the American people put into elected office can do these things if they are made to pledge to do these things and be held accountable for doing these things. As it stands, noone is going to do these things because neither party has to do these things and there are some people benifitting from the way things are right now. If everybody actually had to work for our vote and line up to the ideals and convictions we have in order to get our vote, things would get done.
And for the hundredth time, let me clarify that none of what I am saying is being said to try to solicit votes for the Democrats either.
Stew, I understand where you are coming from. It isnt from that liberal left place. in fact you likely believe much of what I believe.... and I accept your primis here.
i have a fundimental difference with you on who can affect this kind of change.
I would be willing to support at a grass roots level a third party that does believe these things. but I will NOT vote for a third party for president that has no power base.
third parties need to win at local, and state levels. then gain national power in the house, then in the senate before they have any chance at winning the white house.
and the democrats, and this particular democratic ticket, will NEVER affect the kind of change, or enact the kind of policy that I believe in.
thus I am a partisian Republican. I will not lose to prove a point. I prefer to win and get today what I can, then wait till tomorrow to get more. Losing in politics is not some strange kind of victory.
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All the more reason to paint her as the one who is really transcendant and not playing the same games in the same way. Kind of a "change you can actually see on a consistent basis" approach.
Palin had a line last night.
some use change as a carreer builder, others use their carreers to create real change.
McCain is the later.
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Stew, I understand where you are coming from. It isnt from that liberal left place. in fact you likely believe much of what I believe.... and I accept your primis here.
i have a fundimental difference with you on who can affect this kind of change.
I would be willing to support at a grass roots level a third party that does believe these things. but I will NOT vote for a third party for president that has no power base.
I'm saying forget about voting for a party. Let's vote for a man or a woman who is pledging to actually do the things that are very important to us. I'm saying that there has to be somebody out there who is qualified and committed to be the kind of leader that we really want, but the old partisanship mindset and the power base that lives off of it is not allowing it. But ultimately it is the American people that are allowing our democratic power to be usurped.
And at the very least, if we are just too locked into the party mindset...for the love of God, make them do something for our votes. Hold them accountable, don't let them take your vote for granted at the end of the day because they have figured out what it takes to insure your vote.
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
All the more reason to paint her as the one who is really transcendant and not playing the same games in the same way. Kind of a "change you can actually see on a consistent basis" approach.
let me say that while I understand what you are saying. I dont agree.
Her job is to win. I dont believe that this being above it all is a winning strategy.
Its nice rhetoric but it doesnt work. we claim to like it but we vote for the guy that cleans the other guys clock.
that is the history of American politics. period.
and Stew, gess what? Barak's rhetoric about a differnet kind of politics isnt new! it is as old as politics bro! In America it is as old as the republic.
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I'm saying forget about voting for a party. Let's vote for a man or a woman who is pledging to actually do the things that are very important to us. I'm saying that there has to be somebody out there who is qualified and committed to be the kind of leader that we really want, but the old partisanship mindset and the power base that lives off of it is not allowing it. But ultimately it is the American people that are allowing our democratic power to be usurped.
And at the very least, if we are just too locked into the party mindset...for the love of God, make them do something for our votes. Hold them accountable, don't let them take your vote for granted at the end of the day because they have figured out what it takes to insure your vote.
and I am saying that I am voting for McCain because he is the closest thing to the above for me. period.
and in the greater scope, only republicans meet my standard right now.
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let me say that while I understand what you are saying. I dont agree.
Her job is to win. I dont believe that this being above it all is a winning strategy.
Its nice rhetoric but it doesnt work. we claim to like it but we vote for the guy that cleans the other guys clock.
that is the history of American politics. period.
and Stew, gess what? Barak's rhetoric about a differnet kind of politics isnt new! it is as old as politics bro! In America it is as old as the republic.
Yes, but it is usually more effective from someone who can paint themselves as different in some significant way. As an outsider who has not been tainted by the brand of politics that people are probably more sick of now than at most other times in our nation's history. It worked for Obama due to that and it could have worked for her due to that.
I'm not saying that she had a horrible speech, I'm just saying that I don't think I would have spent my introductory speech to America making jabs aimed to please those who I already have firmly in my pocket.
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