Hell Bound? Says who???

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Bro. Hall I read the Book of Acts and there God always sent a preacher to the hungry. Jesus said "Blessed are they they hunger and thirst..."
I am not being arrogant I just believe the book and where in the book did He just sent the Spirit to the ignorant? It was MORE than ignorance it was bonifide hunger.

Bro. Eply…you’re missing the entire point. Yes…there was a bonified hunger in my life. However, God had mercy on my “theological ignorance” and filled me with the Holy Ghost. I didn’t have to be Oneness or proclaim to be UPCI to get the Holy Ghost. I didn’t even have an understanding of Jesus name baptism when I received the Holy Ghost. God responded to the hunger to be saved…however, he had much mercy on my theological ignorance. I was water baptized the night I was filled with the Holy Ghost, but I didn’t know the significance of the experience I had. It wasn’t until months later that God began to reveal “Oneness” to me. I was saved the entire time bro…I didn’t have to be “Apostolic” and understand it all to be saved.

Likewise, there are many “non-Apostolics” down through history that didn’t have a complete “theological” understanding of truth, however God responded to their hunger too. Men like Tyndale, Wycliffe, Wesley…these men had an imperfect understanding…but who are we to judge their salvation? Should we not allow God to be the judge of their souls? Sure, I don’t see how they experienced the fullness of the salvation preached in the New Testament (we agree), but only God is qualified to judge their eternal soul. I will not say with any certainty that they were saved…however, I also will not say with any certainty that they were condemned. I allow God to be their judge.

I’ll give you a promise Bro. Eply…if you convince me that all these men like Tyndale, Wycliffe, etc. are absolutely damned without hope…I’ll burn all my Bibles (translations which they strongly influenced) and seek that perfect Apostolic Bible kept by the truth people of God.

Also…can you show me ONE group down through history that understood the fullness of truth like we do in the Apostolic movement today?

Lastly, are you sure the interpretation of Scripture that YOU hold is absolutely without hint of error?

[Light]

Originally Posted by Esther

I am finding tradition is just as strong in the UPC as it is in the Baptist and the Catholic.

Some "tradition" is good. But what is best is a true understanding of the Word of God.

Esther these people came out of the UPC.
Do you go to Kilgore's church or did you?

[Light]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Likewise, there are many “non-Apostolics” down through history that didn’t have a complete “theological” understanding of truth, however God responded to their hunger too. Men like Tyndale, Wycliffe, Wesley…these men had an imperfect understanding…but who are we to judge their salvation? Should we not allow God to be the judge of their souls? Sure, I don’t see how they experienced the fullness of the salvation preached in the New Testament (we agree), but only God is qualified to judge their eternal soul. I will not say with any certainty that they were saved…however, I also will not say with any certainty that they were condemned. I allow God to be their judge.

Yes we must let God be the judge. His word judges. If the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch. Luke 6:39

When I read what you write I see that you must think God was not competent when he chose the apostles.

(Joh 17:8) For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. Jesus said he gave them all the words

(Joh 17:9) I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

(Joh 17:18) As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

(Joh 17:20) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Jesus said he gave them the word and that they received it. Pete said one must be baptised in the name of Jesus for salvation. The men you refer to in your post were not baptised in Jesus name. They did not believe on Jesus through the words of the apostles. We know this by their own writings.

Truth came from the Father to Jesus and he gave truth to the apostles and the apostles gave truth to the world. How hard is that to understand? Read all of the 17th Chapter of John.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes we must let God be the judge. His word judges. If the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch. Luke 6:39

When I read what you write I see that you must think God was not competent when he chose the apostles.

(Joh 17:8) For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. Jesus said he gave them all the words

(Joh 17:9) I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

(Joh 17:18) As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

(Joh 17:20) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Jesus said he gave them the word and that they received it. Pete said one must be baptised in the name of Jesus for salvation. The men you refer to in your post were not baptised in Jesus name. They did not believe on Jesus through the words of the apostles. We know this by their own writings.

Truth came from the Father to Jesus and he gave truth to the apostles and the apostles gave truth to the world. How hard is that to understand? Read all of the 17th Chapter of John.

You mean the Bible tells us so?

Bishop S. C. Johnson used to say "don't waste your shoe leather going to hear a false prophet save your shoe leather. Don't pay to go to Hell go free."
Every preacher that does nOT preach Jesus is God and Acts 2:38 is a false prophet.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You mean the Bible tells us so?

Bishop S. C. Johnson used to say "don't waste your shoe leather going to hear a false prophet save your shoe leather. Don't pay to go to Hell go free."
Every preacher that does nOT preach Jesus is God and Acts 2:38 is a false prophet.

Nice!

Elder I disagree. Being a false prophet is alot different than preaching a different doctrine. Some people are called false prophets cause a prophecy did not come to pass. It could have been well meaning but incorrect. True or real false prophets are people that knowingly lead people astray. I have given prophecy that came to pass and some that didn't does that mean I am a false prophet? NO. It could mean a couple of things. Missing it or it not being received in faith. I would be careful to call people false prophets.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Light

Esther these people came out of the UPC.
Do you go to Kilgore's church or did you?

I did. Do you know me?

Or do you go there now?

[ManOfWord]

I'd be very careful messing with God's kids. Those who have given themselves to Him to the best of their ability. None of us have perfect understanding and God says that there are some things that are a top priority to Him: Loving Him with all our heart soul mind and strength. Loving our neighbor as ourself.

These belong to Him and the Bible takes a dim view of those who do not treat them properly. Mk. 9:42 "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.

The one who is in danger here is not we who believe that those who place their lives in His hands belong to Him, it is those who take them OUT of His hands and place them in hell, which is exactly what you do with no remorse. Blessed are the merciful. You should not be so free with your "sufuric" comments toward those who belong to Him.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Nice!

Elder I disagree. Being a false prophet is alot different than preaching a different doctrine. Some people are called false prophets cause a prophecy did not come to pass. It could have been well meaning but incorrect. True or real false prophets are people that knowingly lead people astray. I have given prophecy that came to pass and some that didn't does that mean I am a false prophet? NO. It could mean a couple of things. Missing it or it not being received in faith. I would be careful to call people false prophets.

I agree to the part yes you can preach Acts 2:38 and be a false prophet. But you cannot be a true prophet and not preach Acts 2:38.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You mean the Bible tells us so?

Bishop S. C. Johnson used to say "don't waste your shoe leather going to hear a false prophet save your shoe leather. Don't pay to go to Hell go free."
Every preacher that does nOT preach Jesus is God and Acts 2:38 is a false prophet.

Funny. Most men I know preach the Gospel. Guess that makes me a false prophet. I do not preach Acts 2:38, but the Gospel. Last time I check my Bible, that is what we have been called to preach.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Funny. Most men I know preach the Gospel. Guess that makes me a false prophet. I do not preach Acts 2:38, but the Gospel. Last time I check my Bible, that is what we have been called to preach.

Last time I checked you were on one side of the fence now you are on the other.
You know every time the wind blows you change what you believe. God doesn't call people to preach who preach false doctrine.