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09-04-2017, 06:22 PM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
If there was manuscript evidence of the Book of Matthew in Hebrew, that would change everything.
But there is none. They are all Greek.
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09-04-2017, 06:49 PM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
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We do not claim that the Greek Matthew is a bogus forgery. What we claim is that the Greek Matthew is a translation of a Hebrew Matthew. There is plenty of ancient and textual evidence that the original was in Hebrew, we present such evidence in our book. "The original Matthew 28:19 Restored".
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There possibly was a Gospel of the Nazarenes, which might be a Hebrew Matthew book of some sort, circulating at the same time as the Gospel of Matthew. This is the gist of the Jerome report. Also the two had different material. The only one that survives today is the Gospel of Matthew. Linguistically, our Matthew is not translation Greek. (However, our Mark linguistically does give indications of being translated from a Latin original.)
The issue is not what might have existed at one time. The issue is what is the preserved scripture. That is our Greek canonical Matthew, which also exists, very for verse, in the Latin and Syriac and other languages.
There is no issue here.
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09-04-2017, 07:31 PM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
Steven is right. We can only translate from manuscripts we have in our hands. We cannot translate documents that no longer exist.
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03-24-2018, 10:07 PM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
We have searched extensively and now there are 59 gospels of Matthew without the Trinitarian text at chapter 28:19
and probably 60 sometime this year.
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03-24-2018, 10:12 PM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
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We have searched extensively and now there are 59 gospels of Matthew without the Trinitarian text at chapter 28:19
and probably 60 sometime this year.
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We can find these manuscript documents...where?
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03-25-2018, 05:06 AM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
They are not Greek manuscripts of Matthew.
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03-25-2018, 05:14 AM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
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They are not Greek manuscripts of Matthew.
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Well, so much for that.
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03-25-2018, 07:22 AM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
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Well, so much for that.
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03-25-2018, 11:48 AM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
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They are not Greek manuscripts of Matthew.
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We have plenty of evidence that the original Gospel of Matthew was in Hebrew and the original did not contained the trinitarian phrase at Matthew 28:19.
The original gospel of Matthew was translated early in the church history into Greek, from a Hebrew one. That is when the change was made.
The few available Hebrew manuscripts were destroyed or disappeared, but there is evidence of their existence.
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03-25-2018, 12:23 PM
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Re: The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
We have plenty of evidence that the original Gospel of Matthew was in Hebrew and the original did not contained the trinitarian phrase at Matthew 28:19.
The original gospel of Matthew was translated early in the church history into Greek, from a Hebrew one. That is when the change was made.
The few available Hebrew manuscripts were destroyed or disappeared, but there is evidence of their existence.
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In other words, we do not have a trustworthy copy of Matthew, since God lost His Hebrew original. Gee, I wonder what else got corrupted?
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